PLD would benefit from the ability to battle raise

[Delmontyb]

Right now, if the healer goes down and you don't have a summoner in the party, it's a difficult task of recovering from that situation.

Since PLD can raise outside of battle, it would be very handy to allow them to raise in battle in case this happens, I don't want to make the Job OP, but I feel that it fits in with the lore, and would be handy to have.

I'm sure this would introduce balance issues, so hopefully those could be worked out, I'd just think that there would be a CD on their ability to battle rez, something like 30 minutes, so you get one opportunity to get the healer back up.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

[RiceisNice]

It wouldn't work in the same fashion why clemency is bad, main tanking means your cast times will be interrupted, tank swapping would also be cumbersome because of the cd on provoke and it can be a wrench in the spanners for most fights

[SpookyGhost]

Small niche use, no Swiftcast, only available as OT, etc.

[fm_fenrir]

This seems like a perfect use for Tempered Will, especially for OT/DPSadin. Add a Surecast effect if you really wanted to be using it for MT PLD, I guess, but just adding a toggle that unlocks Raise while Tempered Will is up would be fine for an "oh lord, we're losing" backup plan.

Sure, not having Swiftcast sucks, but a delayed raise is better than no raise at all.

[cgbspender]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

[Launched]

No, because PLD has effectively unlimited MP and doesn't really use it on anything, so it would completely negate the resource penalty that's supposed to happen when you raise.

[Maltothoris]

Pld's don't need the battle riase, they just need to have skill speed being able to affect their cast times for clemency cause its such a slow cast time for that move.

Edit: Ultimately, pld just needs better chemistry with its own toolkit with cross-class skills needing to be on the back burner but should be looked at some point.

[Delmontyb]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

Not at all. Not my objective one bit to make PLD some other job. They can equip raise, but it's useless at this point, so no reason to do so. Would be nice if this was an option, it wouldn't take away from other jobs. My only concern would be the other Tanks might feel unable to help parties recover. And perhaps the answer is to make Phoenix Downs stack-able and usable in battle, with a large CD as well.

[Delmontyb]

This seems like a perfect use for Tempered Will, especially for OT/DPSadin. Add a Surecast effect if you really wanted to be using it for MT PLD, I guess, but just adding a toggle that unlocks Raise while Tempered Will is up would be fine

This could work.

[Kumori_Kumo]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

... Why would you fight this? Like are you just that married to suddenly needing to throw a massive chunk of MP directly in the garbage because someone missed a splat?
Paladin having battle-raise is a great idea. Weakness already prevents ANY raise from being OP.