PLD would benefit from the ability to battle raise

[cgbspender]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

[Delmontyb]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

Not at all. Not my objective one bit to make PLD some other job. They can equip raise, but it's useless at this point, so no reason to do so. Would be nice if this was an option, it wouldn't take away from other jobs. My only concern would be the other Tanks might feel unable to help parties recover. And perhaps the answer is to make Phoenix Downs stack-able and usable in battle, with a large CD as well.

[Kumori_Kumo]

Don't you need my Med II ? smn's bane and monk's fists of fire too, while we're at it ? No thank you.

... Why would you fight this? Like are you just that married to suddenly needing to throw a massive chunk of MP directly in the garbage because someone missed a splat?
Paladin having battle-raise is a great idea. Weakness already prevents ANY raise from being OP.

[fm_fenrir]

... Why would you fight this? Like are you just that married to suddenly needing to throw a massive chunk of MP directly in the garbage because someone missed a splat?
Paladin having battle-raise is a great idea. Weakness already prevents ANY raise from being OP.

Keeping PLD from accessing swiftcast also means a DPSadin (the only PLD that could really afford to cast Raise) has to spend 8 full seconds casting Raise on the unfortunate DRG who thought he could win a game of chicken with an AOE. That's a pretty significant drop in output for a DPSadin, and it burns half his MP without the benefit of Sheltron rapidly restoring his MP.

[Kumori_Kumo]

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Another great point! Yeah I'm thinking about it but just not really coming up with any good reason for them not to have it. Fits lore, fits utility, plenty of hard tradeoffs; seems like a no-brainer.