What is the be Healer?

[CBellz]

I didn't mean no DPS checks, I meant no stress on healing DPS numbers and more stress on healing mechanics.

Hm, so a fight like t13? Coincidentally, SCH was just as vital in that fight during progression. In fact, there are videos of SCHs solohealing that fight while putting out more DPS and needing less ballad than comparable WHMs. :O

"I love how you completely ignore the fact that burning stacks to reach 900 potency reduces DPS output"

Well, I love how you completely forgot that this was in response to you talking strictly about SCH's healing output. Of course I would talk about healing capacity in a vacuum, ignoring DPS requirements. :3

"So, prove me wrong and main/solo heal A3S with SCH with the same degree of work you can do with the other two healers. An overpowered broken job that is the best healer in the game wouldn't have any problems doing that, would it?"

I don't have to because it's already been done :3. Go to fflogs, select A3S and filter search options to search only for scholars with the highest HPS output and you'll see several examples of scholars main healing the fight. In many cases, they allowed their WHM/AST cohealers to achieve top ranking DPS. You made several comparisons to WAR, so I'll add to them. SCH and WAR are built to OT/off heal and no other class is similarly equipped. SCH and WAR, however, are also capable of main tanking/healing, and this is why both are too powerful.

[Sunako]

SCH and WAR, however, are also capable of main tanking/healing, and this is why both are too powerful.

I disagree. There should not be tank/healer that can not main tank/heal. Warrior is op because they boost other tanks dps + ninjas dps with slashing debuff and pld dps is weak. Not because they can survive tank busters like other tanks. If you are so used to use fflogs, you can check what is highest DRK dps and highest WARR dps in savage opressor you compare how far dps is against each other.

[CBellz]

I disagree. There should not be tank/healer that can not main tank/heal. Warrior is op because they boost other tanks dps + ninjas dps with slashing debuff and pld dps is weak. Not because they can survive tank busters like other tanks. If you are so used to use fflogs, you can check what is highest DRK dps and highest WARR dps in savage opressor you compare how far dps is against each other.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. WAR is powerful for a number of reasons, two of which are outlined in our posts. This is going off on a tangent lol

[Sunako]

Not sure what you are trying to say here. WAR is powerful for a number of reasons, two of which are outlined in our posts. This is going off on a tangent lol

What I m saying is. All tanks should be able maintanking all content and all healers should be able mainhealing all content. Maybe there is reason why warrior get buffed after first coil? Some jobs may do it easier, but it should be possible for all.

[CBellz]

What I m saying is. All tanks should be able maintanking all content and all healers should be able mainhealing all content. Maybe there is reason why warrior get buffed after first coil? Some jobs may do it easier, but it should be possible for all.

Then I'd go one step further and suggest that all tanks and healers be able to main tank/heal and off tank/heal effectively. I understand though that this is difficult to do without drastically changing class gameplay and/or homogenizing tanks and healers.

[TatoRazzino]

Hm, so a fight like t13? Coincidentally, SCH was just as vital in that fight during progression. In fact, there are videos of SCHs solohealing that fight while putting out more DPS and needing less ballad than comparable WHMs. :O

"I love how you completely ignore the fact that burning stacks to reach 900 potency reduces DPS output"

Well, I love how you completely forgot that this was in response to you talking strictly about SCH's healing output. Of course I would talk about healing capacity in a vacuum, ignoring DPS requirements. :3

"So, prove me wrong and main/solo heal A3S with SCH with the same degree of work you can do with the other two healers. An overpowered broken job that is the best healer in the game wouldn't have any problems doing that, would it?"

I don't have to because it's already been done :3. Go to fflogs, select A3S and filter search options to search only for scholars with the highest HPS output and you'll see several examples of scholars main healing the fight. In many cases, they allowed their WHM/AST cohealers to achieve top ranking DPS. You made several comparisons to WAR, so I'll add to them. SCH and WAR are built to OT/off heal and no other class is similarly equipped. SCH and WAR, however, are also capable of main tanking/healing, and this is why both are too powerful.

If you're going to quote me, quote the exact sentences, without taking anything out of it. I mentioned DPS along with other things a SCH can't do if they burn their stacks. SCH is not an almighty healer that can do anything all the time, they must choose what they're doing because their toolkit is tied to a master mechanic. A restrictive one. Can you learn to manage this aspect? Of course! You're supposed to, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

FFlogs doesn't show the effort nor shows if it's easier or not to do it as WHM/AST. That was my point. WHM/AST are both capable of off-healing as well, but SCH does it better. SCH is capable of main healing as well, but WHM/AST do it better. The difference: SCH has no other healer to compete with. When they compete for the main healing spot, they usually lose unless you're doing a speed run with focus in DPS or when the extra mitigation provided by Deployment Tactics is needed (i.e. when the fight has been catered to the job, requiring something only that specific job can do just like T13 required a MNK to apply int-down unless you wanted your party to meld a lot of accessories with vitality). Interesting, huh?

And did you seriously say that SCH was vital during T13 progression? Of course it was, there were only two healers. The obsession with the job made you forget that it could be crap, but it would be used anyway because there were no other options that could do anything remotely similar to what it did. It's like saying that a BRD is better than a DRG because it was vital for progression when in 2.X BRD was the only DPS job with that kind of support toolkit.