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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    I'm arguing that it's false that SCH is being used for its healing capabilities in endgame content and that people overestimate the job as a whole.

    Take the DPS out of the equation, and you can Clear fights without it. Introduce healing requirements that are not catered to SCH's toolkit, and SCH will vanish from parties. SCH doesn't have anything built into the job that makes it better than the other two; it's a fight design problem, and even that is arguable.

    Not having a SCH in Thordan was never a problem. A1S week one also didn't require a SCH at all, because HoT's are better than shields in that fight. As usual, people make it seem as if Savage is a living hell that requires constant shielding (which even a SCH won't provide); if that was the case, PLD's Divine Veil would be much more valued than it is. I repeat: it's a DPS issue related to the fact that SCH is the only job built to be an off-healer.

    That's what I'm arguing. And the point everyone is making is that no other job is able to do the same as a SCH while DPSing. They never will, because they're not off-healers.

    As for the tank issue, it's the exact same problem: SE developed another MT, and WAR is the only job built specifically to be an OT. Take DPS out of the requirement, and you'll see more balance in the tank composition.

    Hopefully the next tank/healing introduced will be an off-tank/healer and people will stop with the SCH obsession.
    If you are arguing that SCH is brought in to end game content becasue of DPS alone you are catagorically wrong. You are ignoring the fact that SCH has the most diverse toolset for end game raiding, has the most reliable and possibly the best emergency healing capacitiy, has the best mitigation toolset of any of the healing classes, brings with it a very very powerful fairy and out of the three healers SCH is the one with the least mana problems.

    You also seem to glaze over and ignore the fact that SCH are more than capable of solo healing raid content. It was the case in coils that SCH tended to be able to solo heal content before WHM were. The SCH healing kit has been nothing but strengthened in 3.0.

    Also the argument that if they design fights that are not catered to SCH kit is a joke of an argument. If they do this for any class, you cna take that class out of the equation. You know this can be applied to WHM and AST equally? Design a fight that doesnt suit either of their kits and take them out of the equation.........your bias here is showing far too much.

    A1S also didnt require either a WHM or AST in week 1, what it did require was 2 of the 3 in game healers. SCH brought far more safety to the fight than AST did (or ever will do).

    As for Thordan, not having a WHM was never a problem, not having a AST was never a problem. Their toolkits were not needed for this fight either. You know why? Thordan isnt exactly taxing on any healer. Disingenuous argument is disingenuous.

    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    They're not hypothetical at all. A1S and Thordan are there to prove it's possible to balance everything without catering to any single healer. There are mechanics in there that make WHM shine, AST shine and few that make SCH shine. Your three lustrates every minute merely match burst you can get by using what's built into WHM's and AST's GCD. Add Tetra and Essential Dignity + Enhanced Benefic's proc + Lightspeed + Synastry and you see that a lot of tools pass Lustrate in healing. That's just overestimating SCH. And I mained it in 2.X, it's the only Zeta I finished and I started Savage with it.
    Add in fairy heals to the equation as well.....the picture is very different than the one you are painting about lustrate compensating for the power of AST and WHM GCD.
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