"Fun comes first"

[SuperZay]

It was like this with atmas, and nexus, and zodiak too, and the game didnt decline or lose subs, even though the forums were just as ragey as now.

Dead, almost empty servers don't agree with your opinion.

[Doudousteve]

Dead, almost empty servers don't agree with your opinion.

I don't know where you get your facts, but my server has never been so populated as of now.

[Ailanthus]

I am not having fun, but I understand some people enjoy this kind of grind because 210 raid weapons may be difficult for them to obtain.

[pushin_tin]

I am not having fun, but I understand some people enjoy this kind of grind because 210 raid weapons may be difficult for them to obtain.

Hmm, 3 months of grinding...

Or ten minutes watching/reading a guide on my class, maybe an hour on a target dummy, then actually progressing through Alex Savage which is overgeared at this point.

I guarantee if you devote yourself to the latter option it would be WAY faster.

[Whiteroom]

I don't know where you get your facts, but my server has never been so populated as of now.

Actually it was. For every patch. You just see undersized and fate parties in pf is all.


I love how people are using patch day one to say its great. OMG! Like so many people!

[SuperZay]

I don't know where you get your facts, but my server has never been so populated as of now.

From multiple people who transferred to my server recently. I transferred recently too and populace difference between old and new server is staggering.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Actually it was. For every patch. You just see undersized and fate parties in pf is all.


I love how people are using patch day one to say its great. OMG! Like so many people!

It's no different than people denouncing the game is dead and insisting servers are dying left and right.

[ElHeggunte]

Hmm, it's almost as though "Fun" were a subjective concept.

[jObEfiSH]

Oh really? I stopped raiding because alex wasnt fun.. Coil was fun. Crystal tower was fun, void ark, not so much. Most of my friends have stopped playing since Alex didnt meet their expectations, so yeah, I'm a bit happy that we can do the relic and enjoy it

I do not question that you and a good amount of people are having fun. I myself enjoy the game very much as well and have since beta. But you can not actually realistically tell me that the new relic grind in itself is a good thing. Can you have fun doing it? Sure. Does it actually push the game forward and provide anything "new" or "innovative" that enhances the game?

You realistically can not tell me this new grind is "unique" or "fun" in and of itself because there is literally nothing new or innovative about it. It is simply cut to make players grind out 1000 of the same dungeon over and over and sink millions of gil blindly into crafting mats for one piece of gear that doesn't even dare risk giving anything even remotely unique as far as abilities go. You can honestly not tell me that design such as that is "GOOD" for this game or any game. A grind CAN be new and fun, when it feels like a grind just to be a grind then it stops being a game it becomes a job.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

Doing something horrible and grindy with friends is by no means a reason to justify that this entire thing is by any means sane. Whatever we were doing before are either pre 3.0 or 3.0 stuff, why wouldn't they release this earlier, rather than to make us do alexander that we have already done it like a thousand times for 6months. HQ items are gated behind crafters. So your ability to make the relic is also base on the economy & the server you are in.

Trust me no raider who have done AS3 would want to see living liquid again, at least not for another 140 times aside from their weekly raids.