"Fun comes first"

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

Oh really? I stopped raiding because alex wasnt fun.. Coil was fun. Crystal tower was fun, void ark, not so much.....

Step 1(i170) and Step 2 (i200) is fine frankly, but i200-i210 is somewhat obscene. You need about 630 successful alexander runs (including the law option), which many players dread going back in there. Why players are unhappy because they want to see change, not something thats almost 90% similar and how the things they have introduced to counter certain issues.

Alexander NM has been somewhat dead for awhile, so they introduced this to relic. HW's Fates are dead so they introduced atmas in the HW maps. And lastly having specific HQ crafted items to give crafters a chance. But, on smaller servers with lesser veteran crafters the prices for these items costs too much, about 16-20M for all HQ crafted items.

I don’t think it isn’t just the NA community that has something to say about this, the Japanese forums too.

[Renault]

Oh really? I stopped raiding because alex wasnt fun.. Coil was fun. Crystal tower was fun, void ark, not so much. Most of my friends have stopped playing since Alex didnt meet their expectations, so yeah, I'm a bit happy that we can do the relic and enjoy it

If you didn't like Alexander then I have bad news for you about the final step.

[jObEfiSH]

Oh really? I stopped raiding because alex wasnt fun.. Coil was fun. Crystal tower was fun, void ark, not so much. Most of my friends have stopped playing since Alex didnt meet their expectations, so yeah, I'm a bit happy that we can do the relic and enjoy it

I do not question that you and a good amount of people are having fun. I myself enjoy the game very much as well and have since beta. But you can not actually realistically tell me that the new relic grind in itself is a good thing. Can you have fun doing it? Sure. Does it actually push the game forward and provide anything "new" or "innovative" that enhances the game?

You realistically can not tell me this new grind is "unique" or "fun" in and of itself because there is literally nothing new or innovative about it. It is simply cut to make players grind out 1000 of the same dungeon over and over and sink millions of gil blindly into crafting mats for one piece of gear that doesn't even dare risk giving anything even remotely unique as far as abilities go. You can honestly not tell me that design such as that is "GOOD" for this game or any game. A grind CAN be new and fun, when it feels like a grind just to be a grind then it stops being a game it becomes a job.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

And that is it right there, people like you don't honestly care about the actual quality and fun of the content that is coming out, the people like you seriously just enjoy your friends and hanging with your friends and playing the game doing things with your friends. There is no quality expectations for you because to the majority of players that play that way you play honestly don't care what the update gives because you are just in it for the social/friend aspects. For those of us that actually genuinely care about the fun and quality aspects of the updates this update in particular was a major major slap to the face.

Um, no. Everyone cares about the fun and quality of the game, the thing is though what YOU consider fun and enjoyable may not be the same for the other player. Everyone has their own reasons for what makes FFXIV fun.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

in all seriousness, not sarcastic at all, but where are you finding the fun in this game right now? where is the fun in this relic chain?

Playing the Main Scenario/Side Story quests to follow the plot, playing/interacting with different people as I enter a dungeon/trial/raid, watching players rant, hanging out with my friends, hunting, Gold Saucer, GLAMOURS!
The relic chain?? I don't really care since I'm not doing it.

[Faytte]

in all seriousness, not sarcastic at all, but where are you finding the fun in this game right now? where is the fun in this relic chain?

In my time playing other games. I have had a hoot in WoW (i ignored warlords but Legion looks great), and trying out blade and soul.

In any case, I don't have fun in FFXIV anymore, which is sad. I had high hopes--but the developers got lazy and complacent, and once that happens its really hard to recover. You would imagine after 1.0 they would have learned that lesson.

[Lexia]

I think a lot that are unhappy are the ones that would blow through it in a week maybe even the first day or two and then would complain about there nothing to do

[Alberel]

I think a lot that are unhappy are the ones that would blow through it in a week maybe even the first day or two and then would complain about there nothing to do

Trouble is if you don't do this relic like that then there's no point in doing it at all as you won't finish that third stage before the next patch gives a better weapon. Have you even seen how many hours of grind that third stage requires? No one but the hardcore burnout grinders will have that done before the weapon becomes redundant. What's the point in grinding for something you won't ever get the chance to use?

[Jinrya-Geki]

All that hard work and grinding to be irrelevant in a few short months.

I feel bad for everyone doing the relic.