Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[Zantetsuken]

If you don't want to play BRD, you can keep playing ARC - It's a pretty good DD last I checked.

Jobs are designed to modify classes via specialization and are made for party use. Classes are for soloing.

I think the bow-harp is a fantastic idea - A buffing job that can DD as well~

Not really sure what the issue is here...

[Physic]

If you don't want to play BRD, then stay as ARC - It's a pretty good DD last I checked.

Jobs are designed to modify classes via specialization and are made for party use. Classes are for soloing.

I think the bow-harp is a fantastic idea, but if you are an ARC that doesn't, then don't play BRD...

Not really sure what the issue is here...

this would be a good idea, but truth is, you probably wont be a better DD without bard. Archer doesnt really need much cross class skills to do its DD job. So a bard will most likely have access to all the archer skills, and some specialized ones. The idea they said is that the roles will be better at their role, so basically while archers DD is top teir versus current jobs, whatever jobs are supposed to be DD, need to be better at DD than they were before, so archer will most likely not be hax, when drg get something like blood of the dragon and does 1.5x dmg for 20 seconds everytime it jumps. (purely fictional ability, but hey sounds cool to me)

[goonMagi]

I think the bow-harp is a fantastic idea - A buffing job that can DD as well~

Not really sure what the issue is here...

the issue, as others have pointed out and hopefull SE can see for itself, is that an Archer class and a Bard class are completely opposite spectrum in terms of play styles. One is DD, the other is completely support. People who are looking forward to playing a Bard in the future are NOT going to want to be a freaking DD...

why the HELL would they do this?!?!

edit: I also want to say that the old jobs were amazing, not only because they had an old lore feeling to them (major props to the original artistic designs from old FF games) but also because they played critical, fun and extremely interesting roles! They could just rework how songs get casted, or what energy is used when you play them... but don't trash the spirit of the job (which was DEFINITELY support).

[AeraLucis]

the issue, as others have pointed out and hopefull SE can see for itself, is that an Archer class and a Bard class are completely opposite spectrums in terms of play styles. One is DD, the other is completely support. People who are looking forward to playing a Bard in the future are NOT going to watch to be a freaking DD...

Um... I am looking forward to playing a Bard AND want to be able to DD in-between casting buffs. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a person.

Also, Bard sounds like a perfect job role for Archer. They already stand in the back. And what's the point of giving archer a Job role that just does damage? What would make that role in the party any different from the Monk? Or the Dragoon?

Jobs are suppose to make the classes, which people complained play the same way, into more unique roles that have different duties during a party.

Lastly, your assumption that Bards are completely support is flawed. If you're taking FFXI as your reference, Bard's were only able to heal in between casting songs because of a WHM subjob. There is no reason why, with a bow in hand, Bards wouldn't be able to do damage in between casting songs. Besides, you don't even know how the bard job will work. For all we know you might be casting songs with TP, consequently requiring you to do some damage to be effective.

[goonMagi]

Um... I am looking forward to playing a Bard AND want to be able to DD in-between casting buffs. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a person.

Also, Bard sounds like a perfect job role for Archer. They already stand in the back. And what's the point of giving archer a Job role that just does damage? What would make that role in the party any different from the Monk? Or the Dragoon?

Jobs are suppose to make the classes, which people complained play the same way, into more unique roles that have different duties during a party.

Lastly, your assumption that Bards are completely support is flawed. If you're taking FFXI as your reference, Bard's were only able to heal in between casting songs because of a WHM subjob. There is no reason why, with a bow in hand, Bards wouldn't be able to do damage in between casting songs. Besides, you don't even know how the bard job will work. For all we know you might be casting songs with TP, consequently requiring you to do some damage to be effective.

You are right, it would be convenient. However it would also be convenient to simply mix all opposite spectrum classes just because they share a position on the battle field. You know what, screw white/black mages.. why not just have 1 mage who does both?!?!?! THEN YOU CAN SIT AND DD WHILE YOU SUPPORT

[AeraLucis]

You know what, screw white/black mages.. why not just have 1 mage who does both?!?!?! THEN YOU CAN SIT AND DD WHILE YOU SUPPORT

...omg. You know what, you're so right. Just let my archer sit back and DD while one mage can both heal me and do damage in between. Oh wait...I do that every day in this game with the way classes are set up now....jeez. Do you even play this game? or know how party play works in this game? ....and how boring/easy party play is when you just do one thing?

You've probably forgotten that the only reason SE is creating this job system is because people were upset that all the DD classes played the same and the Conj in the party could heal everyone AND do great aoe damage at the same time....Thus the reason for the specialization.

[goonMagi]

...omg. You know what, you're so right. Just let my archer sit back and DD while one mage can both heal me and do damage in between. Oh wait...I do that every day in this game with the way classes are set up now....jeez. Do you even play this game? or know how party play works in this game? ....and how boring/easy party play is when you just do one thing?

You've probably forgotten that the only reason SE is creating this job system is because people were upset that all the DD classes played the same and the Conj in the party could heal everyone AND do great aoe damage at the same time....Thus the reason for the specialization.

That is exactly what im saying; Why make a class that controls two huge roles of the overall game? Conj could support and DD, so it was stupid. I know you think the idea of a bard that does damage might be exciting, but to me it completely washes out the idea of the bard. To me it says "we don't want a bard in this game, so we are giving the archer sweet party buffs.. anyone who wanted to play bard can be a barcher, and their main role is to DD while casting buffs on everyone"

its no longer a bard, its a DD class that does support. I want a support class. yes I am a whiney child, but i dont care

[AeraLucis]

That is exactly what im saying; Why make a class that controls two huge roles of the overall game? Conj could support and DD, so it was stupid. I know you think the idea of a bard that does damage might be exciting, but to me it completely washes out the idea of the bard. To me it says "we don't want a bard in this game, so we are giving the archer sweet party buffs.. anyone who wanted to play bard can be a barcher, and their main role is to DD while casting buffs on everyone"

its no longer a bard, its a DD class that does support. I want a support class. yes I am a whiney child, but i dont care

Well I'm sorry to tell you that casting buffs on a party is not a full time job. You have to be doing something in between. And instead of curing, you're doing damage. Not that big a difference. In fact, its even better because as a Gladiator I'd rather have my archer skip a couple Light Shots to cast a party buff than my Conj have to skip cures while the song finishes.

'Oh sorry you died, I couldn't get the cure off. Was in the middle of a song'.

If that happened a couple times I'd rather just skip the darn buff.
And if you're looking for a 'support role' I'm pretty sure WHM will have you covered. You want the feeling of casting party buffs? Just keep shock spikes on your tank and spam Stone Skin.
If you just want to do the role of a WHM under the name of a Bard with a stupid Song Note animation, then you are beyond helping.

[Davorok]

If the Barcher is real, I would see it as essentially what Red Mage was supposed to be in XI...a Buff/Debuff specialist with very good DD.

In XI, Rdm was nerfed (by mean parties) to Refresh Whore but could solo stuff effectively whereas Bard and Corsair were really just worse versions of Rdm.

In XIV an Archer who can Buff /Debuff and still do Ranged Damage is actually my Dream Job both for Parties and esp for Solo. If I can Enfeeble enemies and Buff myself as well as party members, I will be the Red Mage Ranger I always dreamed of in XI. (and I like to sing. I go to Karaoke Bars with my Dad when I visit. ;>P )