Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[User201109011315]

The bow-harp is an interesting design, but interest aside, I think it's such a perfect example of the devs trying to fit jobs into the game where they don't belong.

The job system should have been a layer above classes, not a system on the same level with them. And the Barcher is a classic example of fanservice gone wrong.

[Anonymoose]

Oh gee, are you still harping on about this?

Bahaha, thy puns are sweet music o'er-arching my ears.

ARC is probably going to remain viable insofar as pure damage output is concerned. Jobs aren't meant to wholly replace classes, but supplement them with a new set of skills and specializations. A BRD's damage ceiling will, by nature of the job, likely be lower than a pure ARC's due to the necessity of balancing support skills and damage skills.

Nothing is dying, and ARC will likely receive a pure damage job (ranger or sniper) when the second round of jobs is released.

To a point I agree, but Yoshida-san has stated in interviews that the idea of having more than one job-per-class is not something they're planning for at all (YET), and if implemented, would likely be an after-thought. I'm sure they at least have their base list of what classes/jobs will be coming to the game, and we'll probably see that come to fruition before there's links. (Pure speculation).

Can you think of a more logical way they'd cram BST in here? They did say that they'd be implementing pet classes after sufficient testing. I can see Barcher becoming a radical damage dealer - at least ARC will have something to do between those new recast timers - buff shit.

Stunning logic, which unfortunately only works for the English version. In the Japanese version, the archer class is called simply "Bow-Warrior" (with the character for bow 弓　clearly indicating the weapon, and no abstract concept of bowing, bending or circling whatsoever ^.^/).

This is very true - but if we take that logic back around to the image, that range-arcing harp is clearly situated on a bow. /dodges. (Good catch, sir!)

The bow-harp is an interesting design, but interest aside, I think it's such a perfect example of the devs trying to fit jobs into the game where they don't belong.

I think the idea may have originated as a result of having to do this, but until I see the class in action, I'm reserving judgment. To be completely honest, it looks fun as hell.

[Keftenk]

That was Keftenk. And he deleted that one pretty fast- not fast enough though!

Huh?

/10char

[DoctorMog]

OH I get it,

This is another one of those assumption threads where everyone turns out being wrong and looking like an idiot.

Sweet.

I'll hop in!

Archer > Bard

Muskateer + Archer = Ranger

[Xenor]

I don't think anyone who plays ARC actually wants to play a bard. Giving ARC the BRD job would be the biggest mistake they've made with this game since deciding to release it in September last year. It's not even a case of "you can't please everyone" here, it would be a case of "you haven't pleased anyone". The effect will be felt by non-ARCs too who want a cool BRD in their party but they can't get one because no one wants to play their ARC that way. People who liked BRD in XI won't be BRDs because they may not fancy ranking up a DD class to get it.

[Betelgeuzah]

Huh?

/10char

Luls

/10char

[Ferth]

I have mixed feelings of the notion of Archers turning into Bard... but most of those feelings stem from a deep disappointment of the apparent direction of the Job System. I really dislike the jobs tied to specific classes on a 1:1 ratio, I don't see it as an expansive step.

From a lore perspective the decision confuses me, because we have two bards (that I know of) already in the game and neither project any sense of archery (one actually seems more like a gladiator than anything else.)

I will probably get some flak for this but I think the job system is being rushed into place and very poorly thought through. I am willing to wait and see it in action... but it doesn't seem to do anything to expand on the armoury system or create flexibility, but rather seems to constrict options.

Unfortunately, they've more than likely put too much work into the current system to be able to change much at this point.

[Seoki]

The Bow-Harp concept reminds me a lot of THIS.

I'd say it worked out pretty damn well in that game.

It really makes me want to lvl archer now.

QUOTED FOR THE TRUTH.

If it really is a bow-harp don't go around crying. Hunting Horn in Monster Hunter is one of the greatest and funnest classes in the game. It can deal insane damage and buff those in a group.

If they really make a bowharp, and pull it off. +10000000000000000000 for SE.

[User201109011315]

I will probably get some flak for this but I think the job system is being rushed into place and very poorly thought through. I am willing to wait and see it in action... but it doesn't seem to do anything to expand on the armoury system or create flexibility, but rather seems to constrict options.

You won't get flak from any reasonable person, because that is actually what obviously has happened.

It takes 6 months to design a set of gear, and they obviously rushed out the concept so they could have it ready in a timely fashion, but I think it's time they backpeddled a bit, and analysed how incompatible the system is with the preexisting structure of the armory system.

Like you said, a one-to-one relationship is not expansive. In fact, it's practically the polar opposite of expansion; contraction. It's contracting the flexibility of the armory system.

[Anonymoose]

This is another one of those assumption threads where everyone turns out being wrong and looking like an idiot.

Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but why be an inflammatory buzzkill? People can't bullsh!t around and enjoy a spirited discussion while we wait for a delayed an anxiously awaited patch. Maybe you're right. Maybe we should shut up and just go play something else, forget Final Fantasy exists, and when we have solid empirical evidence, discuss only that.

EDIT: If it turns out that, twelve forbid, I or someone else speculating here, gets it right - does the pendulum swing back the other way, right past time-killing discussion again, and land on "Holy hachimaki batman, Anonymoose is a prophetic genius!!!" in the end? Bah, successful troll comment was successful. /stopstalking

I don't think anyone who plays ARC actually wants to play a bard.

To be fair, I didn't play Conjurer to stand around curing shit, but alas... changes happen. I'd rather like to give barcher a shot - whether existing pre-rng archers will, though... I think that'll be as welcome as Single-target Sacrifice, I agree.