Strength Tanks

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

I can't help but agree with OP. I especially hate seeing any tank in full strength gear and not using tank stance. Lately, I've this a lot on PLD but on a lot of tanks in general. If I ask them to put on vit gear and they refuse then, I purposely let them die when in a dungeon when I play healer and see this. I know this is the wrong attitude because it wipes the party every time, but some people need to be taught a lesson in humility the hard way. Tired of this foolishness.

Teaches others humility by forcing a tank to gear how he (the healer) wants it or else.....

I'd agree with you if the tank was wearing some sort of disciple of war armor vs. actual tank left side gear. I am also going to assume your tank knows what a cool down is, because a VIT tank that doesn't know this is also a bad tank.

Marianno - I would encourage you to learn how to heal through these bad tanks and work to improve your skill as a healer. If you can survive a bad situation, even excel in one, imagine what you will be able to do when you get a good tank.

[cgbspender]

...Savage?

Because people were tanking like that back when it was i190 in savage.

So your options were it was the tank, or it was the healers, or it was the DPS not killing things.

Throwing 4k hit points onto that tank wouldn't make him easier to heal. It would have just given you about .5 seconds of breathing room.

It was Alex NM. I wasn't healing in this party, but I main healer. The problem here was that the tank took damage more than the time it took the healers to cast. So yeah, his HP were literraly melting down, as even tetras and bene just gave the healers a little delay but not even enough to prevent him from biting the floor. (he was a drk)

[karateorangutang]

I can't help but agree with OP. I especially hate seeing any tank in full strength gear and not using tank stance. Lately, I've this a lot on PLD but on a lot of tanks in general. If I ask them to put on vit gear and they refuse then, I purposely let them die when in a dungeon when I play healer and see this. I know this is the wrong attitude because it wipes the party every time, but some people need to be taught a lesson in humility the hard way. Tired of this foolishness.

*Trolling skill increases by 0.3 points*

[Lan_Mantear]

I can't help but agree with OP. I especially hate seeing any tank in full strength gear and not using tank stance. Lately, I've this a lot on PLD but on a lot of tanks in general. If I ask them to put on vit gear and they refuse then, I purposely let them die when in a dungeon when I play healer and see this. I know this is the wrong attitude because it wipes the party every time, but some people need to be taught a lesson in humility the hard way. Tired of this foolishness.

Thank you for identifying yourself, St Marianno. I will make sure to abandon the party as soon as I see your name appear in the party list.

[Marianno]

Yes I do the first 5 pulls to see if the tank can handle playing in str gear. The problem is that these tanks are not using cooldowns appropriately. Tanks not even using mitigating abilities when using str gear is annoying. I always give ~5 chances. After that if I see you can't keep the enemies stuck on you then there is a problem.

[Marianno]

Thank you for identifying yourself, St Marianno. I will make sure to abandon the party as soon as I see your name appear in the party list.

I honestly do not care if you do. Bottom line is, use the cooldowns if your going str based tanking. Do not step into a dungeon if you do not want to use cooldowns. That is my opinion, take from that what you will.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

I honestly do not care if you do. Bottom line is, use the cooldowns if your going to be tanking. Do not step into a dungeon if you do not want to use cooldowns. That is my opinion, take from that what you will.

*edited that for you

VIT or STR - use a bloody cool down.

[Lan_Mantear]

I honestly do not care if you do. Bottom line is, use the cooldowns if your going str based tanking. Do not step into a dungeon if you do not want to use cooldowns. That is my opinion, take from that what you will.

My issue with you is your opinion that if a tank doesn't use the gear you, as a healer, desires, you will hold them hostage by not healing. That's tasteless in my opinion.

In regards to using cool downs. That is the norm and not an exception. I'm not going to congratulate a tank for doing something he should already be doing. It'd be as stupid as high-fiving a healer each time he throws Cure my direction.

As to the original topic. VIT or STR gear, in the end doesn't matter. Its the player that will make it work. If you don't know how to use your CDs or how to manage hate on multiple targets, you'll still be horrible even if you have nothing but VIT gear on.

STR becomes the clear winner when player skill is at a certain standard and is no longer part of the equation.

[Marianno]

Again my ultimate issue is still, use of cooldowns, if your taking more damage than I can heal then I won't struggle to heal you. Use the cooldowns, NOW. i won't beg or plead with you. If you want to wear str gear, that is fine then. USE THE COOLDOWNS OR DIE. I'm not going to beg or plead with you. Learn how to keep the hate in your str gear if your pulling multiple enemies. Perhaps it is better if I stated my ultimate issue with this before clicking submit and not proofreading.

[fm_fenrir]

Lately, I've this a lot on PLD but on a lot of tanks in general.

I think a lot of PLDs are taking the "you do the worst tank DPS" thing as a challenge, so they're the most likely to be trying to prove that statement wrong. Personally, I've always stacked STR because I'm too lazy to build two separate sets of accessories for four jobs, and never really had a problem with being too soft to heal.