Strength Tanks

[Malicewolf]

Eh, to each their own. I will say, an inexperienced tank shouldn't stack in STR. The extra HP buffer they get with VIT stacking can be good. But it doesn't change the fact of how much hp the healer has to heal. It only changes the amount of time a healer has to heal. But the difference will be a few thousand hp. If a tank loses 10k hp, you should be healing them regardless. Whether they have 5k or 8k hp left shouldn't be what makes you decide they need some more health. But STR tanks do infact hold aggro better in all regards. We can spend less time spamming away with flash (especially PLD's) as the only other 2 AoE based attacks we have are both longer cooldowns that can't be spammed. And we don't have an unlimited supply of mana either. If we run out and can't spam it anymore (and have really crappy ability to hold aggro) guess what? You're next on the get squished list with all the healing you'd have to be doing.

I think the main thing we have to be cognizant of is telling the newbie tanks to stack in STR automatically for end game. It still helps early though honestly, i would know, I did it. But I also have 2 builds, a STR build AND a VIT build. If I find my healers need the extra hp buff to keep me alive, I will switch.

[pushin_tin]

The TC has not replied once to this thread. Obvious bait.

[Velox]

Sadly, that just doesn't exist, so instead we have healing DPS, tanking DPS, and full DPS.

At this juncture in the game, the only way to solve the problem is to rehaul the system.

1. Make accessories job-locked like gear.
2. Make healer and tank stances work like AST stances (once you enter combat, you can't switch).

I will bathe in the glorious healer and tank tears.

[NorthernLadMSP]

At this juncture in the game, the only way to solve the problem is to rehaul the system.

1. Make accessories job-locked like gear.
2. Make healer and tank stances work like AST stances (once you enter combat, you can't switch).

I will bathe in the glorious healer and tank tears.

Flawless suggestion there. Take away the freedom of choice of skilled players who are able to stance dance, and force them down to the level of the unskilled players that can't.

[Donjo]

At this juncture in the game, the only way to solve the problem is to rehaul the system.

1. Make accessories job-locked like gear.
2. Make healer and tank stances work like AST stances (once you enter combat, you can't switch).

I will bathe in the glorious healer and tank tears.

I agree that accessories should have been job locked from Day 1. However, it wouldn't have stopped Pentamelded Accessories... which have been stated as a primary reason that the devs are attempting to recalculate Tank Damage.

However, the stance thing is iffy. Locking stances mid fight will greatly limit fight design as Tank Swaps will no longer be as friendly to do. Tanks absolutely should be able to swap mid fight as it allows them to adapt to whether or not they are currently Tanking something. I believe that something along the lines of preventing a Tank from leaving their Tank Stance if they currently have the highest Enmity on a monster would better serve your ideals.

[cgbspender]

Had a tank an hour ago in A2. Weapon 205, left side 210. Right side 210 full STR. He just couldn't survive the trash mobs despite both healers spamming cure 2 / eye for an eye regen, asylum and whatever they have, even after they had to resort using Tetra and bene side to side. Healers were i200/205. And they were really good.

STR jewels should only be the monopoly of good tanks, dare I say fabulous ?

The problem is, all tanks think they are awesome at their job even when most of times THEY ARE NOT.

[Kabooa]

Had a tank an hour ago in A2. Weapon 205, left side 210. Right side 210 full STR. He just couldn't survive the trash mobs despite both healers spamming cure 2 / eye for an eye regen, asylum and whatever they have, even after they had to resort using Tetra and bene side to side. Healers were i200/205. And they were really good.

STR jewels should only be the monopoly of good tanks, dare I say fabulous ?

The problem is, all tanks think they are awesome at their job even when most of times THEY ARE NOT.

...Savage?

Because people were tanking like that back when it was i190 in savage.

So your options were it was the tank, or it was the healers, or it was the DPS not killing things.

Throwing 4k hit points onto that tank wouldn't make him easier to heal. It would have just given you about .5 seconds of breathing room.

[cgbspender]

...Savage?

Because people were tanking like that back when it was i190 in savage.

So your options were it was the tank, or it was the healers, or it was the DPS not killing things.

Throwing 4k hit points onto that tank wouldn't make him easier to heal. It would have just given you about .5 seconds of breathing room.

It was Alex NM. I wasn't healing in this party, but I main healer. The problem here was that the tank took damage more than the time it took the healers to cast. So yeah, his HP were literraly melting down, as even tetras and bene just gave the healers a little delay but not even enough to prevent him from biting the floor. (he was a drk)

[Melch]

The problem is, all tanks think they are awesome at their job even when most of times THEY ARE NOT.

Then your tank wasn't using cooldowns or your healers were afk because I tanked A2 normal at ilvl179 with 3 STR accessories and didn't died to trash.

[Twilite]

Had a tank an hour ago in A2. Weapon 205, left side 210. Right side 210 full STR. He just couldn't survive the trash mobs despite both healers spamming cure 2 / eye for an eye regen, asylum and whatever they have, even after they had to resort using Tetra and bene side to side. Healers were i200/205. And they were really good.

STR jewels should only be the monopoly of good tanks, dare I say fabulous ?

The problem is, all tanks think they are awesome at their job even when most of times THEY ARE NOT.

No cooldowns obviously, and you didn't say what kind of tank it was. If a healer is going all out on a tank on trash mobs, the issue is really obvious and not having anything to do with STR or VIT gear(though they could also be undergeared but that isn't the case here).