So...about that white magitek mount

[Fevelle]

Pretty much every mmo developer wants their game to be WoW

Well, I can't conceive the idea someone picks up a FF numbered title and want it to be even more like WoW.

[Ilitsa]

Well, I can't conceive the idea someone picks up a FF numbered title and want it to be even more like WoW.

WoW, for better or worse is one of the most successful MMOs ever, of course the devs would want their project to be like that, no one makes a game/project and aims for mediocrity. While, yes this may not be WoW, the success it has earned is nothing to scoff at and is a great goal to strive for

[Teryaani]

Well, I can't conceive the idea someone picks up a FF numbered title and want it to be even more like WoW.

In the most critical ways for me FFXIV is better, but I wish we had the minion battles from WoW (including the wild minions). I get that people like the RTS, but it wasn't what I was looking for.

[Voltyblast]

Well, I can't conceive the idea someone picks up a FF numbered title and want it to be even more like WoW.

...even though this game is essentially a WoW clone? Because...it is? Same battle system, same controls, same tab target system, same...almost everything?

I mean yeah it has a story (which I don't care) but a story alone doesn't make it a FF game if you ask me: I came into this game because it looked and played good, but not because it looked like a Final Fantasy. And that's a good thing: I don't need to like the franchise to like a game and FFXIV kind of proves that even people like me can enjoy this game, even if I'm...a hater I guess? But that's a big word.

In the core itself, FFXIV is a WoW clone but does few things better than WoW (I guess storytelling? Can't tell though) and TONS worse than that game (I still can't do pretty much anything while in Queue and despite being an MMO, 99% of the activities require you to be alone....come on even SWTOR did story quests better than this!)

[MihaelB]

...even though this game is essentially a WoW clone? Because...it is? Same battle system, same controls, same tab target system, same...almost everything?

In the core itself, FFXIV is a WoW clone but does few things better than WoW (I guess storytelling? Can't tell though) and TONS worse than that game (I still can't do pretty much anything while in Queue and despite being an MMO, 99% of the activities require you to be alone....come on even SWTOR did story quests better than this!)

Agreed, don't get the WoW hate despite most RPGs being replicas of it in terms of many system attributes

[GTANJ]

In the core itself, FFXIV is a WoW clone but does few things better than WoW (I guess storytelling? Can't tell though) and TONS worse than that game (I still can't do pretty much anything while in Queue and despite being an MMO, 99% of the activities require you to be alone....come on even SWTOR did story quests better than this!)

Don't really see the point to any of this in the thread, since this is all opinion and not even relevant.

[Colorful]

Don't really see the point to any of this in the thread, since this is all opinion and not even relevant.

Well FFXIV being a WoW clone with FF elements isn''t an opinion, it's fact.

Yoshida feels that the creators didn't recognize that the global standard of MMOs had been significantly raised in recent years. He would have suggested a different path for the game—one that mirrored FFXI's own creation. "I think it would've been good if they tried seeing what happened if they turned World of Warcraft into Final Fantasy."

- what they did with FFXIV.

Which is why I don't understand the hate for WoW, or FFXI for that matter. "Hey, WoW has this cool thing, can we bring this over here?" gets met with "OMG THIS ISN'T WOW, go back to WoW you WoW filth". If someone dislikes WoW that strongly and enjoys FFXIV, they've either never played WoW, or are seriously "fanboying" FFXIV and believe it is a perfect game. But yeah, it's irrelevant. :x

[GTANJ]

Well FFXIV being a WoW clone with FF elements isn''t an opinion, it's fact.

I just don't understand how that's relevant in a thread that's a discussion about the moral/business utilities of a cash shop in a game as a juxtaposition to it's content. If you were talking about FFXIV's cash shop in relation to WoW, then I'd be open to that discussion. But WoW vs FFXIV strictly from a gameplay perspective doesn't make any sense.

Also, I would argue that FFXIV is NOT a clone of WoW, but that's neither here nor there.

[Voltyblast]

I just don't understand how that's relevant in a thread that's a discussion about the moral/business utilities of a cash shop in a game as a juxtaposition to it's content. If you were talking about FFXIV's cash shop in relation to WoW, then I'd be open to that discussion. But WoW vs FFXIV strictly from a gameplay perspective doesn't make any sense.

Also, I would argue that FFXIV is NOT a clone of WoW, but that's neither here nor there.

For one thing, you're partially correct about the fact that it's not relevant about this thread. However, for what I know the WoW Cash Shop is mostly filled with items that can only be obtained in that shop and are, in general, avoidable.Sure, a lot of them are reskins of existing mounts or pets, but the game alone has more than hundreds of mounts and pets without the shop: it's easy to obtain any mount you want by just farming the raids you want, which is something that this game BARELY does and only applies to Trials and I think A4S. Ah and also pvp but it's been dead since its release.

Also, FFXIV, a lot of the cash shop items were free once and the new mounts aren't even new (Sleipnir excluded): heck they're not even reskins, they're just recolored model of the one you get at the end of MSQ! That's lazyness at it's pure finest and like I said in my post, if people buy anything that SE throws at us expect them to deliver even more lazily put together items in the future. We buy it afterall and you can be sure as "eff" that they will take advantage of it, to the point of breaking the game at one point. It won't be today or tomorrow but, if that day happens, I'll be here to say "I told you!"

And yes I'm being pessimistic so don't take me too seriously.

PS: You can argue as much as you want, but FFXIV still remains a WoW clone at its core. Keyword being "the core": everything else is different, but not always in a good way ("cough" hunts "Cough")

[Yasuhiro]

Well FFXIV being a WoW clone with FF elements isn''t an opinion, it's fact.

- what they did with FFXIV.

Which is why I don't understand the hate for WoW, or FFXI for that matter. "Hey, WoW has this cool thing, can we bring this over here?" gets met with "OMG THIS ISN'T WOW, go back to WoW you WoW filth". If someone dislikes WoW that strongly and enjoys FFXIV, they've either never played WoW, or are seriously "fanboying" FFXIV and believe it is a perfect game. But yeah, it's irrelevant. :x

I don't like WoW but I like Final Fantasy XIV (to an extent)