So...about that white magitek mount

[GTANJ]

The way I see it, things like mounts and glamour items are not necessary for the game to feel "complete". Some people want these items, and that's why they're perfect for something like a cash shop. They are ancillary items added to the whole of FFXIV.

I don't see how things like Fantasia can be controversial either. That kinda stuff is all additional and, if people will pay for it, of course Squeenix is gonna charge for it. I don't know why people would even get mad at WoW offering things like quick 100 rank-ups either. You can still level the regular way, and it's not forcing you to pay to get to that level. Look at this stuff like bonuses that cost money, which is what they are, instead of things ripped from the game that should be free.

[whiskeybravo]

I don't know why people would even get mad at WoW offering things like quick 100 rank-ups either. You can still level the regular way, and it's not forcing you to pay to get to that level.

I can understand being upset with paying for levels, or in something like Battlefield being able to buy all the guns without ranking up and unlocking. Sure, you don't have to buy them, but it puts you below the playing field if you don't. It's sort of like a peer pressure. It probably wouldn't be so bad in a mainly cooperative type game like this, but certainly a competitive multiplayer game there is a decent advantage in higher tier weapons/perks/etc. So I sort of agree with that disdain, and I don't play any Battlefield or EA sports games as a result.

[Catwho]

Most of the stuff in the mog station I'm fine with skipping. But there are a few things I missed that I wanted. I plunked down $3 for the Cherry Blossom earrings, on the justification that they were very pretty and I've spent a ten times that amount on real life earrings I rarely wear.

I have no burning desire for a red or white magitek. If they were in-game items, I wouldn't even bother farming for them.

[GTANJ]

I can understand being upset with paying for levels, or in something like Battlefield being able to buy all the guns without ranking up and unlocking. Sure, you don't have to buy them, but it puts you way below the playing field if you don't. It's sort of like a peer pressure. It probably wouldn't be so bad in a mainly cooperative type game like this, but certainly a competitive multiplayer game there is a decent advantage in higher tier weapons/perks/etc. So I sort of agree with that disdain, and I don't play any Battlefield or EA sports games as a result.

But that kind of content inherently changes the game for you if you don't own it. None of the stuff on the mogstation inherently changes the game if you don't own it. It's all cosmetic and you can live without it. Some people argue that because they want it, it should be free, but that's not the way this stuff works.

[Berethos]

An argument to people screaming that it's optional? Yep, citing other MMOs that have went down the same route, the same group of people claimed it was only optional stuff and that the majority was still in the game, and that changed fast.

The few subscription-required MMOs that I know that have gone down the same route with a cash shop (it's not a long list after all) haven't changed from having the majority still be in-game.

Those that shifted the lion's share of stuff to optional purchases via cash shop are pretty much all games that also shifted to a F2P model, wherein the cash shop becomes the main source of revenue instead of subscriptions.

Now, most mounts in game are a literal reskin (not even adding extra armour in some cases).

That's not exactly a new thing. Even as far back as The Burning Crusade most mounts added were reskins of a select set. Netherwings were just reskinned drake models and most options were simple recolors. On occasion they have made greater variations and the occasional unique model (usually attached to a raid boss - something they are still doing with the current one for killing Heroic or Mythic Archimonde), but since 2004 most in-game available mounts have been reskins of a specific set of the already available mounts. The only store-bought mount that I can think of that doesn't already have an equivalent version in the game (with reskins of it also available from various sources in the game) is the armored bat mount.

So yeah...WoW doing more reskins than new mounts is almost a decade old at this point.

[Cold_Raven]

point is, we shouldn't have to "justify" our purchase any more than you need to justify your decision to NOT purchase. Live and let live, there's seriously no reason for anti-cash shop people (or even just people that hate these 2 new(or recolor, whatever) mounts to have any opinion what so ever of those of us that do like them, value is in the beholder, what's "worth it" to me, may not be to you, and vice versa

Stop it! You're making sense on the forums!!
What will entertain me?? Don't you know what these places are for??!!!

And you never closed that first bracket! It just goes on forever!! When will someone think of the children??! AhhhhhhhhHHHHHH!!!!!

[Colorful]

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I'm aware that WoW is very reskin happy (along with FFXIV and its recolours of the unicorn mount), the majority were reskins yes, but there were a few new models here and there which would eventually be re skinned. Now just about every unique mount that isn't a boar or a wolf is placed in the cash shop, the Siege of Orgrimmar raid mount is a Kor'kron Annihilator. The moose mount from Mythic Archimonde was also intended to be a cash shop mount, but it was changed after much outburst (at least they listen). If you don't mind me asking, what are the equivalents of the Winged Guardian, Enchanted Fey Dragon, Swift Windsteed, Grinning Reaver, and the Warforged Nightmare?

[Ilitsa]

Stop it! You're making sense on the forums!!
What will entertain me?? Don't you know what these places are for??!!!

And you never closed that first bracket! It just goes on forever!! When will someone think of the children??! AhhhhhhhhHHHHHH!!!!!

oh, I did close it, I just seem to have accidentally added an extra ( oops... =p

[Chayala]

I find it funny how they seem to have no money to hire devs, but put more and more half assed or already developed items into the cash shop. I think the issues people REALLY have is that the game doesn't have a very good wealth of content that is worth doing. FFXI for all it's faults (It had a great many) had just as many strengths. One of those was the fact that you had multiple ways of progressing AND could mix and match. The game really lost most of it's player base when everything kept getting out item leveled to a point that stuff became like this game. Relic? Gone. Mythic? Gone. Empy? Gone. Unless you wanted to put in UNGODLY amounts of hours in between fairly short patches OR spend ungodly amount of gil. And then have it totally killed again. So again, this game has a fair amount of content (Less than most games but it's not that bad). But most of it is irrelavent except for roulettes. So pushing cash shop stuff like this is what really seems to set people off. WoW did the cash shop stuff with almost no outcry(there was some) because when they implemented it it had a good pace of content coming out and LOTS to do now. Release WoD which has a little more content than this game currently and you see them release mounts for cash store only? Yeah that's where the outcry comes from.

On the fact of level boosting not being a bad thing? I can only ask if you are trolling. The problem with level boosting is you have NO idea what you're doing. Maybe if you level boosted and had to walk through "baby's first tutorial- how not to screw up your class" it would be fine. People in WoW didn't just "Accept" it. They just gave up and lost half their subs. I take it you want people to give up and accept the state of FFXIV the way that people did for WoW?(Although WoW had FAR more old content people could go through and have fun and with leveling up new characters doing quests and seeing how things changed were a benefit. Here after you story quest you're litereally stuck in the fate/dungeon grind when you run out of quests. Oh and leves.).

I believe the reason that people are pissed about this is 1) They're using assets that are mostly in game to make cash grabs when no real money is being put back into this game or content added that is relevant. Making cash shop expansions like this is what hurts if nothing else game image. That = bad. Cash shops for minor things = ok. But only if you have a game that is worth it. And considering how many emptyish servers there are and how poor the CS is with this game and in general at square. Also the fact that ya know, after the initial 2.0 story line it seems like they started reading the scripts for the other FF games(The good ones, not XIII) with a TVtropes page open. So now we have not Kain mind controlled (Oh hey. Like that's never been a main problem with dragoons. Hi Kain. But at least you were awesome enough for me to love ya anyhow) and the garbage that was Ramuh/Leviathan. Shiva was average at best and most of Heavensward was below even Tera's expansions writing, and I regret being dragged back here. But sure. Support the cash shop. Buy stuff when they can't be bothered to maintain the game correctly, fix massive in game lag for comcast users or provide content at the pace they said they would (3 months). I mean, it's not like they've gone against their word many times right?

Oh and if you're looking for non mobile games with money transactions Bravely Default had one where you bought extra turns lol. That was funny. I laughed thinking about the stupid parents who put their card info into their kid's 3ds and didn't watch it like a hawk.

[GTANJ]

SNIP

Your whole argument seems to be "they are putting low effort into the things they put onto the cash shop, which is bad." Isn't that a good thing? Don't we want them to not put as much time and effort into the cash shop and focus on actual game improvements? I don't understand that argument at all.

Also, WoW DID have a tutorial for people who used a level boost. You weren't just dumped into the game with no idea what to do or how to do anything. There was a pretty extensive tutorial that taught people how to play their class. You should do more research into that before just spreading misinformation. Also, it's kind of a moot point, since FFXIV doesn't have level boosts, so who even cares?