Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Kazumac]

Because not a single person was able to calculate 1.1x150 and see that it is bigger than 150. Or calculating 40x6 + 150 and see that it is bigger than 320. Or seeing that 150 + 100 is bigger than 150 + 0.

I mean, that's, like...rocket science!

I'm surprised a parser could even be programmed, considering it requires knowledge of basic addition and division. Truly, a math wizard must have done it. No regular mortal can possibly possess such knowledge.

You don't make an educated theory and call it fact without measuring it, if possible. That would be ignorant. Yes people come up with the ideas by mathing it out. Then they test it and compare it to make sure that in practice they are right. They then see how to apply it to various fights and phases and make adjustments based on the fight and measure the results. No it's not rocket science but the proof is in the quantitative result not in the theorycraft.

[Zojha]

All these questions can be answered with hard math[...]

Thanks for agreeing. Because that is the entire point I made. Not all rotations necessarily come from parsers and not even all "good" rotations necessarily come from parsers.

You don't make an educated theory and call it fact without measuring it, if possible.

The problem is: For the theory to be wrong, you must either have miscalculated (human error) or the potencies in the tooltips have to be wrong (game error). If the potencies in the tooltip can be wrong, so can the numbers in the battle log and thus the parsing result. Thus, assuming no human error, the "proof" is just as likely to be wrong as the theory itself. No biggie if both fit together, but sucks when there's a mismatch because you can only check for human error in the calculations and parsing algorithm.

[RemenantStrife]

A lot of the opposition I see at the moment is because a handful of people fear parsers and so based on that alone everyone playing on a console should be held back regardless of wanting a simple addition to the game. I would like to add in my fears and receive the support of the community also. I have a fear of any new classes being added to the game in future as I believe that playing those classes could lead to harassment from people saying the new classes suck, which would in turn lead to me being excluded from groups.

There is evidence to support the idea that playing a new class could lead to being removed from groups and harassment, just look at Machinist during the time of Bismarck Ex where some people misjudged the class and treated those who played it unfairly. My fear should be taken seriously, and as such I ask that no new classes be added to the game ever again unless you play on PC and have access to add ons, the addition of new classes via that means will have no impact on me as they aren't "official".

The above may sound irrational to some, there may be evidence to suggest that playing new classes doesn't lead to harassment, but I know deep down that my fears are true and I will continue to ignore all evidence to the contrary. Thank you for your support.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

A lot of the opposition I see at the moment is because a handful of people fear parsers and so based on that alone everyone playing on a console should be held back regardless of wanting a simple addition to the game. I would like to add in my fears and receive the support of the community also. I have a fear of any new classes being added to the game in future as I believe that playing those classes could lead to harassment from people saying the new classes suck, which would in turn lead to me being excluded from groups.

There is evidence to support the idea that playing a new class could lead to being removed from groups and harassment, just look at Machinist during the time of Bismarck Ex where some people misjudged the class and treated those who played it unfairly. My fear should be taken seriously, and as such I ask that no new classes be added to the game ever again unless you play on PC and have access to add ons, the addition of new classes via that means will have no impact on me as they aren't "official".

The above may sound irrational to some, there may be evidence to suggest that playing new classes doesn't lead to harassment, but I know deep down that my fears are true and I will continue to ignore all evidence to the contrary. Thank you for your support.

Can we get dancer first?

[AriaEnia]

First I just wanted to say, Don't bring up fears/anxiety and phobias and mock them.

What i dislike, is this hive mind mentality that you have to know numbers to be a good player, i also dislike a majority of posts in this thread from people coming off as bullies.

This one. This is probably the one that's been holding the implementation of in game parsers. Devs are also read forums. Until this mentality change (which is won't), I hope there will be no parsers implemented.

[Archaell]

As there is already 3rd party parsing, official parser would just make everybody equal. We can talk about fear...

Imagine that right now there are players who do parse and they know how much dps you do, while you have absolutly no idea. They have the guns, you have nothing to protect yourself. If they mock you for your poor dps, you don't know if it is true or not. Personally I would fear this situation - Other players having (or not having and pretending) information that they can use, while I stay empty handed. The situations when somebody is telling other players to do more dps happen (nothing toxic), but it also happens that sometimes these "advisors" do even less dps and they want to shift the focus on someone else.

Somebody having parser, somebody not having parser... that's simply not fair.

Also toxic players are usually quite "competitive", so they certainly already do parse (if they play on PC).

This one. This is probably the one that's been holding the implementation of in game parsers. Devs are also read forums. Until this mentality change (which is won't), I hope there will be no parsers implemented.

Don't blame the lack of official parsing only on Azazua :-O /joking

[SnugglesD]

What I love about all of the arguments against parsers is that that the people that make the arguments will never come close to touching the content where they will be used.

No one is going to care what you're doing in expert roulette/void ark/Alex normal.

These blowhard care bears with their overly delicate egos are actively ruining things that DON'T PERTAIN TO THEM.

[zosia]

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Yes, you can't figure everything out with just practice and gut intuition, that's why parsers are a thing in the first place!!! Some changes only make small differences that you would not notice without some numerical data.

But hey! What do I know, I am just a player who has cleared everything in the game. Who are you, just another person speaking from ignorance here on the forums.

Also, Why would a blm need to use triggers? That's rich, lol. What would I use triggers for on a4s? Maybe an extra notification that I have five lines targeting me? Lol! Triggers are much more of a tank and healer thing. Jfc why would you even respond to this thread if you don't even know that much. It's painfully obvious you are talking out of your bum hole

[Kazumac]

Yes, you can't figure everything out with just practice and gut intuition, that's why parsers are a thing in the first place!!! Some changes only make small difference you would not notice without some numerical data.
But hey! What do I know, I am just a player who has cleared everything in the game. Who are you, just another person speaking from ignorance here on the forums.

If they've never used a parser and don't actively do savage... They probably have no context to know the usefulness of the tool. It's like the guy who said pets aren't contributing that much dps to be worth considering when evaluating damage output. Lols. To really understand the full benefit a person needs to have used one tackling progressive content and sadly those who vehemently oppose one due to it not being necessary likely lack those experiences or rely on a group where another person is using it to the benefit of their raid.

Or they may rely on guides developed using a parser for example it would be hard to know the optimal MCH opener definitively without using one. The arguments for ignorance hold even less water than the harassment ones.

[Almalexia]

Just a reminder that if you're going to make a post on a forum any longer than a page (~300 words) you should include a dick joke to keep your audience engaged.