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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Excuse me, don't put words into my mouth. Read what I posted. Tell me where I have quantified the volume of abuse that I think would happen. You can't, because I didn't. As for the linked Reddit thread, no, I didn't read it. If you have a point to make, make it, don't blithely link off to Reddit. You say I conveniently ignore something in every parser discussion, pray tell what is it that I am ignoring?
    In nearly every thread this debate happens whenever a study, or evidence lending to the pro parser side of the argument is raised you summarily ignore it and continue posting what you want to continue posting.

    The reddit thread that Shana linked was from my earlier post which you seem to have skipped over because it didn't agree with your narrative of the situation.

    Your argument is that harassment is a very real fear to a group of players, however i linked multiple sources that discuss that while a few players may feel that way, in game communities that include or allow public parsing features the results show that the overwhelming result if anything is apathy from the majority of the playerbase and that the number of harassment incidents border on the insignificantly small for the benefits the tool provides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    BTW, here's a little gem from the OP in your linked Reddit thread - "This is my own experience". So what is it that you think this anecdotal discussion somehow proves/disproves. Also, why do you think I am somehow conveniently (not sure why it's convenient, perhaps you can explain) ignoring it - whatever 'it' is?
    Had you properly read the reddit thread that was posted (which by your admission you didn't) the player who admits that his findings are anecdotal and based on a admittedly small sample size line up with what many in this and all of the other threads that have discussed this are saying, that harassment concerning performance occurs with or without a parser i encourage you to actually read it this time as the results are quite interesting and very relevant to the topic at hand.

    Why it's convenient for you to ignore it is the same as was said before, by glossing over or outright refusing to address any of the sources of various people (the developers of this game included) talking about how parsing isn't a real community fear your counterargument holds little weight if you can't properly dispute evidence contrary to your claims. It's exactly why your statements were likened to a "safe space" argument and other posters have tried to bring this fact to your attention as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Perhaps you ought to just go and actually read my posts above and see what it is that I am saying instead of responding to what you imagine I am saying?
    This works both ways, i implore you to actually try to read some of the cited counterarguments to your views rather than repeatedly tossing up the same argument, one that has already been disputed to death already.

    I'll happily relink the sourced material for you so that you have the opportunity to give it a proper read this time to better understand where the counterpoints are coming from.


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    Last edited by Ryel; 12-02-2015 at 02:48 AM.