Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Sylve]

Why do people think that when someone is doing very low dps that telling them they should go (when / if implemented for all) use the parser to improve their rotation to, I don't know, actually learn how to correctly play the job? Its not a judgment. Its helping the person out. I'm just baffled by what the problem is here.

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

[Ryel]

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Which is exactly why we have GMs.

Getting harassed? verbally abused?

Players don't need a parser to do that currently and the solution is the same, you call a GM.

Refuse access to groups?

last I checked everyone has equal access to creating a party in the PF, if you are removed from one create your own. If you are being removed from Duty Finder parties for your performance on a consistent enough basis that you are unable to complete content it's probably a sign that there is something wrong with your playstyle in which case i would hope you would improve to the benefit of both yourself and future parties.

In fact all of the above scenarios are already possible and currently do happen to tanks and healers.

And all of this really only applies to endgame content, nobody cares about sub par DPS in like 98% of the content in the game. Even if many players are aware of it they're likely to speak up about it in content that matters and only if that player's performance is a detriment to the progression of the 7 other people in the party.

In which case it's no different than calling attention to a tank or a healer who is unable to perform.

And lastly and the point that really needs driving home.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

We don't have to imagine.

Parsers / calculators have been a part of MMO culture since the beginning, i mean If we really want to get meta about it the ability to quantify, evaluate, and share data when it comes to games has been a concept as far back as math has been around.

It's almost as if stats, score keeping, and performance evaluation have been a part of nearly every single team oriented game in existence.

So can we not treat this like some unknown and uncharted subject of exploration, or try to play up some perceived negatives that we already know to be false over large sample sizes?

Some people will be jerks about it, those people will be reported to GMs.

[RickXRolled]

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

In my opinion, the victims are the ones that have to bear with insufferably low dps players who can't be bothered to learn a basic rotation.
Those people like to cram down the: "my 15$" or "I have a life" excuses down their victims throats.

[Crysten]

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

Because for every person who wishes to genuinely take on advice and improve themselves much like the OP...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse if even so much as a single syllable of critique is thrown their way.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that people can use as evidence against them.

I really wish people would stop thinking this is a one way argument. Users with parsers are not the only ones capable of being assholes.

[Dante_V]

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse if even so much as a single syllable of critique is thrown their way.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that people can use as evidence against them.

I really wish people would stop thinking this is a one way argument. Users with parsers are not the only ones capable of being assholes.

The issue has nothing to do with parsers at all. People are already being harassed as it is with NO official parsers. A personal damage meter would change nothing in that and it wouldn't affect you at all what so ever. Lets be real here, everyone CAN ALREADY see your dps as it is thru battle log. The only thing a parser does is make a persons personal damage number available to them. No one else would see the numbers at all. Part of what you say exists in mass because a large portion of the player base cannot access the tools to better themselves and the ones who do have access to the tools can utilize that to their advantage.

[zosia]

Because for every person who wishes to genuinely take on advice and improve themselves much like the OP...There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse if even so much as a single syllable of critique is thrown their way.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that people can use as evidence against them.

I really wish people would stop thinking this is a one way argument. Users with parsers are not the only ones capable of being assholes.

I am I playing a different game than you? The only place I see that behavior is in the 24-man series and those have always been extremely toxic from LotA to now.


There are plenty of tools to deal with the problems you cite.

Black list,
Report to a GM,
Close Party Chat,
Play with like minded people,

There is no real good work around for ps3 and ps4 players to parse themselves.

[Dante_V]

And lets be straight here because the people that seem to do the most harassing are the ones who don't want them. Look at the beginning of this post. Some people were fine, some expressed opinion, but then all of a sudden comes a few folks who want to call names for no reason while trying to act like they are "curbing harassment" in the progress. Saying that "for every person that improves themselves there will be 10 who harass" is literal hyperbole. It holds no weight.

[Makado]

I still don't get it, whether the people are nice or mean about it the end result is the same, the subject finds out 1. My DPS can improve and 2. I have a way to test out what I am doing wrong and fix it. Its the same way in real life at a job, if your not doing it right your going to get fired. They could do it mean or nicely, but at least in the game you get a chance to fix what your doing wrong and come back with the correct solution. So I still don't see your point.

[ServerCollaps]

Join the PC masterrace

[Gilraen]

I think what really needs to change is the notion that someone can't improve without some form of external quantifier beyond what you can see in everyday execution. I'm not that different from the ex-lalafell, I've been gaming for decades and not once have I needed some calculator hovering over me to improve. I just play, keep an eye out for what hits harder in what order, repeat it and if it's consistent I remember it. If not, I try a different routine. It's not that hard to do. If someone suggests a different way I give it a try and give credit where credit is due if it works for me. If not, or if it's something I'm already doing, I still thank them for the suggestion. But it's still all very capable without a parser. All a parser is is a calculator. If you need a calculator to improve that's fine, more power to you, but don't assume noone else can't without it.