Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Alexftw]

Don't really have much to add to this, just give us a parser.

Thordan this weekend, went in with a pug to try and get some people their clear. P1 boss gets to 78% o.0.
I have no way of knowing who was pulling such pathetically low numbers, so we just disband. GG.

I don't see how there is even any discussion about it at this point

Faust requires 6300 dps to kill. Thor requires about 7200 for 75% and 8100 for 69%. (75% is the ideal for a smooth kill assuming you keep doing your best while doing mechanisms).

To be honest yesterday I went a1s opressor for the first time... What I realised? Ppl say savage is hard? Compared to Thor it was even relaxing. Now I want to train a2s. Back to the same issue evry person ik has statics and no1 wants to do it in pf... Cmon... Ik people who killed Thor ex 30x+ in pf. Why not do the same with savage?

[Makado]

Why do people think that when someone is doing very low dps that telling them they should go (when / if implemented for all) use the parser to improve their rotation to, I don't know, actually learn how to correctly play the job? Its not a judgment. Its helping the person out. I'm just baffled by what the problem is here.

[Kitfox]

To be honest yesterday I went a1s opressor for the first time... What I realised? Ppl say savage is hard?

Come back when you get to A3S.

[randysquirrel]

75% is the ideal for a smooth kill

Really don't understand your post, how can 75% be ideal? How is this better than 69%...?

I've had runs where we've hit 69% and skipped the tank buster, and some where I've screwed up entirely and dropped Enoch and we still were like 72% at worst. So I've no idea where 75% comes from. Either way, you haven't really appeared to understand the point of my post, which was that in that particular run, DPS was truly terrible, and with no parser, I have no idea who was practically afk'ing.

I don't know anyone who thinks A1S or A2S are hard

[Sylve]

Why do people think that when someone is doing very low dps that telling them they should go (when / if implemented for all) use the parser to improve their rotation to, I don't know, actually learn how to correctly play the job? Its not a judgment. Its helping the person out. I'm just baffled by what the problem is here.

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

[Makado]

I still don't get it, whether the people are nice or mean about it the end result is the same, the subject finds out 1. My DPS can improve and 2. I have a way to test out what I am doing wrong and fix it. Its the same way in real life at a job, if your not doing it right your going to get fired. They could do it mean or nicely, but at least in the game you get a chance to fix what your doing wrong and come back with the correct solution. So I still don't see your point.

[ServerCollaps]

Join the PC masterrace

[Leigaon]

i've been gaming for 27 years.. why is parser must have??

They just want to see what their numbers are...or compare it to having people to tell them what to do. As a PC and PS4 player I say let them have it. I have no use for it, I have enough sense to figure it out myself. What to use, where and adjustments along the way. They did talk about putting one in for individual users..I'm not going to do the googling for you, but you can! The real hunt..begins.

[Ryel]

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Which is exactly why we have GMs.

Getting harassed? verbally abused?

Players don't need a parser to do that currently and the solution is the same, you call a GM.

Refuse access to groups?

last I checked everyone has equal access to creating a party in the PF, if you are removed from one create your own. If you are being removed from Duty Finder parties for your performance on a consistent enough basis that you are unable to complete content it's probably a sign that there is something wrong with your playstyle in which case i would hope you would improve to the benefit of both yourself and future parties.

In fact all of the above scenarios are already possible and currently do happen to tanks and healers.

And all of this really only applies to endgame content, nobody cares about sub par DPS in like 98% of the content in the game. Even if many players are aware of it they're likely to speak up about it in content that matters and only if that player's performance is a detriment to the progression of the 7 other people in the party.

In which case it's no different than calling attention to a tank or a healer who is unable to perform.

And lastly and the point that really needs driving home.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

We don't have to imagine.

Parsers / calculators have been a part of MMO culture since the beginning, i mean If we really want to get meta about it the ability to quantify, evaluate, and share data when it comes to games has been a concept as far back as math has been around.

It's almost as if stats, score keeping, and performance evaluation have been a part of nearly every single team oriented game in existence.

So can we not treat this like some unknown and uncharted subject of exploration, or try to play up some perceived negatives that we already know to be false over large sample sizes?

Some people will be jerks about it, those people will be reported to GMs.

[RickXRolled]

Because for every person who calmly, politely and helpfully informs someone of their low DPS and seeks to actively assist them in improving...

There are 1000 idiots who scream, throw tantrums, vote kick, vote abandon, verbally abuse, refuse access to groups or generally misuse the information presented.

Given how people behave now with perceived low DPS, ill leave it to your imagination what those people would do with hard numbers that they could cram down their victims throat.

In my opinion, the victims are the ones that have to bear with insufferably low dps players who can't be bothered to learn a basic rotation.
Those people like to cram down the: "my 15$" or "I have a life" excuses down their victims throats.