Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Azazua_azura]

Problem is most PC users already have a parser running at all times, so you are being judged constantly, and are at a disadvantage if you are on a PS4 and cannot see it yourself so as to improve. I can't see how Yoshida could say he's not sure the community could use it responsibly when it's already in a worse state than if it was out there in the first place.

play dcuo on ps3 then say something....
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I personally dislike what parser ended up doing to mmo communities. Not 1 time i saw any good from parsing, what people end up using it fir is to gloat dmg. use it to be little players playing well just not the conformed way, and removed working as a team.

It is annoying to be a fresh tank, healer and dps in this game alot of thanks goes to parsing. Just look at the forums, 1/2 the time people complain about "bad" players over dps. Yet not 1 person steps up to help, saying "read a guide" "watch a video" is not helping, and kicking people out is worst. Too much and too often ppl ram "dps" down everyones throats, give people time to master the content before saying stuff about dps.

Personally speaking I think people way over think this game, and it doing more harm then good.

[Odett]

play dcuo on ps3 then say something....
Yet not 1 person steps up to help, saying "read a guide" "watch a video" is not helping, and kicking people out is worst. Too much and too often ppl ram "dps" down everyones throats, give people time to master the content before saying stuff about dps..

Because some people don't play that job, so they cannot help. Even then, it is not my duty to teach someone their rotation while already in a fight. Imagine you're doing A1S with group composed of ilv 190 players. The MNK and DRG are doing roughly 1.2k DPS, which are solid numbers for that iLv if you know your rotation, the BRD is doing 1k, but the NIN is only doing 500dps. You constantly fail to meet the check, Faust uses Pressure Increase, wrecks the tank, and proceeds to kill the rest of the group. Why should the NIN not be kicked when they are not contributing enough damage to pass the fight? Why should an entire group disband, instead of dealing with the 1 problem that the group has?

[Sylve]

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Enmity = Damage/healing.
If your NIN is consistently below the Bard/MCH/Healers then the problem becomes quite clear, no need for a parser.

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If you can't clear the DPS check, despite being able to perfectly handle all non-DPS check mechanics as a group then the problem is:
-Not enough gear across all your DPS.
-Tanks not doing what they can to contribute to overall Damage Dealt (Example, only using the basic enmity combo)
-Healers not contributing when the healing requirement is light.

None of those things require a Parser to check.

The very fact that the game has no built in damage meters suggests that the devs intended players to work out for themselves where problems are instead of pointing at a damage meter and screeching "look at him! Look! He's below the magical number threshold, KICK HIM!" despite that failure might have been better attributed to that super amazing DRG doing 1500 DPS but who failed entirely to do the mechanics properly.

If you hit the Enrage Timer, DPS is the problem. Discuss with your group that somewhere, someone has a DPS problem.
Put a meter in there and suddenly every failure ever is going to be attributed whoever has the lowest DPS irrespective of whether an Enrage Timer was hit or not.

Maybe the devs intended us to actually talk to our groups instead of reading meters and assigning blame.

I use the Target Dummies to gauge how I'm improving by setting a timer and then counting how many times i can remove the health bar from the dummy in that time.
Its not going to be perfect, nor display a shiny number you can use to boast to your friends, but it WILL let you know if you're improving.

[Archaell]

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Enmity =/= damage healing; There are enmity reducing abilities, there is overhealing, there are adds etc. You can only say that there is a conection, but that's it.

Seeing parsing data and seeing somebody failing mechanics can be done at the same time. It's not exclusive.

If you hit enrage timer... why should the whole group feel like crap, when there might be only one guy not doing enough? Why should the whole group suffer for something parser would make clear?

You can talk with your group even with parser on.

The target dummy thing is cute, but how do you plan to judge your own performance during the real encouter? If you record a video alongside parsing you can see exactly where your dps is lacking and why.

[Odett]

Oh boy...

Enmity = Damage/healing.
If your NIN is consistently below the Bard/MCH/Healers then the problem becomes quite clear, no need for a parser.

No...? N-no? Are you aware the Elusive Jump, Smokescreen, Shadewalker, Shroud of Saints, and Quelling Strikes are ALL skills that play around with your enmity bar. Using an enmity bar to gauge peoples' performances is very misleading for these reasons.

If you can't clear the DPS check, despite being able to perfectly handle all non-DPS check mechanics as a group then the problem is:
-Not enough gear across all your DPS.

False. Meeting the recommended ilv requirement for a fight is enough to clear it as long as you know how to play your job.

Tanks not doing what they can to contribute to overall Damage Dealt (Example, only using the basic enmity combo)
-Healers not contributing when the healing requirement is light.

So, using my previous example here, if three DPS players are doing more than 1k DPS on Faust, but the fourth is doing half of that, and the DPS check is not being met, it's obviously the tanks' and healers' faults. Sure. Ok.

None of those things require a Parser to check.

You have not provided a single accurate explanation to back up your claim other than by showing how grossly misinformed you are.

The very fact that the game has no built in damage meters suggests that the devs intended players to work out for themselves where problems are instead of pointing at a damage meter and screeching "look at him! Look! He's below the magical number threshold, KICK HIM!" despite that failure might have been better attributed to that super amazing DRG doing 1500 DPS but who failed entirely to do the mechanics properly.

Battles like Faust have no mechanics. Try again.

If you hit the Enrage Timer, DPS is the problem. Discuss with your group that somewhere, someone has a DPS problem.

So instead of looking at numbers and seeing who that someone is, you'll just bash your head against the fight 6 more times and keep dying at the same spot due to a failed DPS check, and say "oh, someone isn't putting up the numbers they should, but it's better not to know who it is, even if we have the possibility to do so". Great idea. That does not sound frustrating at all.

Put a meter in there and suddenly every failure ever is going to be attributed whoever has the lowest DPS irrespective of whether an Enrage Timer was hit or not.

That comment is so general, vague, and unsupported that I'm not even going to bother thinking of a way to reply to it.

[Toguro]

I understand what Yoshida is saying when he thinks the community wouldn't be able to handle an in-game parser responsibly. He's most likely talking about NA and EU. I wouldn't be surprised. With games like DC Universe Online around with EXACT public in-game damage parsers(It gives you the exact number, not a rounded one. It's a calculator), I have a feeling on what the community turn into if it was added. People getting kicked for low heal or damage numbers was a daily thing. Getting fired on for having low dps. There were DPS requirements: "LF Gadgets DPS MUST DO 1.5mil DMG G2G". DCUO was built around the dang scoreboard(parser) and it probably has the craziest community ever.

I can see a personal parser helping but then be easily abused because y'know... we're us.

PF: "LF ilvl195 DRG 1.4K DPS IF LIE KIK AND BLACKLIST"
Join party: "What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"

All day. I don't wanna hear that mess. I'm fine with the enmity list. If there's an ilvl209 monk(In Savage gear since they do tend to be better than non-endgame 209's. Just observations) and I'm getting more hate on the boss as an ilvl200 DRG, I'm just better. That's that.

I don't really want it that bad or need it. To be honest being a PS4 player and ilvl200 beating full ilvl210 + Thordan weapon guys makes me feel good inside...


And most of them didn't use enmity-reducing skills. One NIN threw a smokebomb on me once... still beat eeem doe. Most BRDs/MCHs and SMNs/BLMs I go against don't use them. I never see DRGs doing Elusive jump.

If you're in Void Ark on... the 3rd boss. You got a MNK in half ilvl200-210, never died once and is in 6th or 7th place.. no parser required that player is just bad..

[Archaell]

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Maybe they don't use enmity reducing abilities, because they judge their dps based on the enmity list? I have been doing that... on MCH. Funny thing is, turrets and summons have their own enmity. That's nice chunk of enmity missing. I have to admit I felt really bad before I noticed that.

Players are already parsing, or asking others to parse them. It's absurd to expect that the community would get ruined by official parser.

You can also die during a fight, yes, but you might not know that even with spending xx% of the encounter on the ground, you can still be the top dps... it happens, unfortunately.

Yoshida is saying that, because there are summoners who spam Ruin the whole game, with occasional miasma, and they get happily carried through the whole game. The problem isn't as much the community not being able to handle it, as the community not being able to handle the accountability for their own performance. Were the official parser introduced a lot of players would be quite "surprised".

[Toguro]

I understand what Yoshida is saying when he thinks the community wouldn't be able to handle an in-game parser responsibly. He's most likely talking about NA and EU. I wouldn't be surprised. With games like DC Universe Online around with EXACT public in-game damage parsers(It gives you the exact number, not a rounded one. It's a calculator), I have a feeling on what the community turn into if it was added. People getting kicked for low heal or damage numbers was a daily thing. Getting fired on for having low dps. There were DPS requirements: "LF Gadgets DPS MUST DO 1.5mil DMG G2G". DCUO was built around the dang scoreboard(parser) and it probably has the craziest community ever.

I can see a personal parser helping but then be easily abused because y'know... we're us.

PF: "LF ilvl195 DRG 1.4K DPS IF LIE KIK AND BLACKLIST"
Join party: "What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"
All day. I don't wanna hear that mess. I'm fine with the enmity list. If there's an ilvl209 monk(In Savage gear since they do tend to be better than non-endgame 209's. Just observations) and I'm getting more hate on the boss as an ilvl200 DRG, I'm just better. That's that.

I don't really want it that bad or need it. To be honest being a PS4 player and ilvl200 beating full ilvl210 + Thordan weapon guys makes me feel good inside...


And most of them didn't use enmity-reducing skills. One NIN threw a smokebomb on me once... still beat eeem doe. Most BRDs/MCHs and SMNs/BLMs I go against don't use them. I never see DRGs doing Elusive jump.

If you're in Void Ark on... the 3rd boss. You got a MNK in half ilvl200-210, never died once and is in 6th or 7th place.. no parser required that player is just bad..

For those that say an in-game parser wont be that bad, as a veteran DCUO player, played for 3 years, an in-game parser definitely CAN have a bad effect. Remember, the PS4 player base is a very large one, and the ages of these people probably...vary. Not only that, DCUOs community including the forums revolved, rotated, orbited the scoreboard system and it has a big PS community. There were no cross servers when I left(late 2014) and the community...sigh* that community. People were kicked, fried, cooked, virtually smacked or whatever for not doing 1.5mil DPS in certain instances. If you did more damage than a scoreboard chaser(that's a real thing in DCUO... the majority of people even in PvP) then you were kicked, fried, cooked, virtually smacked or whatever for doing more damage.

For those that say parser could help bad players, the scoreboard did not help players in DCUO. Alot of people quit because of it. And also, if that ilvl200 DRG is #4 on the enmity list and no Elusive Jump was seen that day or a heavy thrust or a DRG attacks, what makes you think that DRG is going to go out of their way to use a personal parser? People don't even listen in DF or thank you when you give them help. I wont vote kick a bad player if someone else puts up the vote.. its not right.


I have mixed feelings for an in-game parser.. but leaning towards not wanting one. I have never been called on DPS and have never used a parser because well.. I can't. But adding the parser to PS3/4 is indeed, alot more people with access to that and I'd say console gaming in general can be more "toxic". Not sure though. Never played a PC game.

[Kosmos992k]

You know, I've got to take my hat off to the absolute hyperbole that has people taking comments that simply point out that parser based harassment does in fact happen, and conflating it with this SafeSpace crap. Posting the link to SouthPark was genius, it at once both shifts and crystallizes the debate as a face off between soft SJWs and cold hard reality.

Yes, avoid the discussion, shift the ground and belittle others all at the same time. Absolutely amazing.

Another word for a SafeSpace would be 'echo-chamber'. That however, is pretty much what these topics tend to become with one particular group posting and re-posting to agree with each other shouting down any dissent and driving away anyone with an dissenting point of view, no matter how reasonable they are.

All these folks echoing each others thoughts and closing the door on dissent, creating a great echo-chamber for yourselves. Ironically this in effect creates a 'SafeSpace' free from the nasty, terrible critics who otherwise spoil the discussion with opposing views and facts.

I don't expect this to change anything, I'm sure I'll again be dismissed, belittled, insulted and otherwise run-down in many ways. Go for it guys, have fun...in your SafeSpace.