Choose The Next Three Jobs for 4.0

[Zebyxus]

I love how people have already forgotten that the devs have already ruled out Blue Mage because they feel that the inherent mechanics for that class clash completely with the style of play that FFXIV requires, skills based vs gear based basically.

I would personally love to see something like WoW's Druids placed in this game, the ability to shapeshift and gain abilities based upon the form you take would be a nice switch from the other classes at this point.

[Rufalus]

The next set of jobs really should include a caster dps. We still only have two INT dps in SMN and BLM.

If you were going to pick 3 jobs based on popular demand, I think the leading requests are for Red Mage, Blue Mage and Samurai.

But you also need to consider balance and fitting the theme of the expansion, and the devs like to create new things rather than just draw from the past.

Also unclear if they will add 3 jobs in 4.0 or just 2 jobs, since the plan is to move towards smaller but more frequent expansions, and never doing something as huge as Heavensward again because the man hours were killer.

[Leogun]

The next set of jobs really should include a caster dps. We still only have two INT dps in SMN and BLM.

Heh, would be fun if they went into completely left field with Samurai and make it a melee-caster that uses INT and MND stats and utilize both MP and TP together to create SP (Spirit or Soul points) to execute special techniques through their katanas.

[KouenElfrit]

3 classes I personally would love to see.

- Calculator DPS/Healer? (from FFT): A casting class that benefits largely from having levels in multiple jobs! Calculators are famous (or infamous?) for being a broken class in FFT but I love the concept of casting with target parameters based on an equation.

- Vikings Tank : Similar to a warrior, but they do have access to water/thunder based abilities.

- Geomancer DPS: I've always thought the concept was interesting, and the geomancer is absolutely different from other dps classes.

[Shurrikhan]

If in Sharlayan lands:

• Red Mage - NIN-level DPS with some free utility, but most of which will cost DPS in exchange for its use. Some off-healing, some auxiliary healing, has Refresh as a cooldown but must usually spend the CD on itself or would lose dps; certain CDs can be accelerated through certain actions, allowing most noticeably for greater support and/or healing through modified rotational priorities and at significant dps cost.
• Blue Mage - a Kineticist mage tank with some decent OT dps (about PLD-level or less) and support. The more traditional BLU is done via Hunter/Wildling.
• Hunter - A cross between the Ranger, Beastmaster, and the traditional Blue Mage. Depending on absorbed abilities and use of pet, can have some support features, but is otherwise a pure DPS.
• OR Wildling - More or less your traditional Blue Mage, but in physical attacker form. Weapon TBD. (Based on 1.x Shroud lore about people possessed by the element(al)s.) (Partial) shapeshifting. Vicious beyond belief.
• OR Ceith - name TBR. A primarily physically-stated caster whose attacks are sourced by absorbed elements and effects. Hybrid DPS, capable of tanking.

If Doma or similarly beyond Eorzea:

• Ronin - A very high actions-per-second job whose niche and capabilities are almost entirely based on his rotations and timing of cooldowns. Every ability can potentially combo with any other ability; the "combos" themselves can go on some 8+ moves. Potential evasive tank, but otherwise typically just a very intense and intricate pure DPS. Stays viable even after the Samurai job is offered.
• Ronin -> Samurai - Hybrid DPS/Tank. Trades some attack and movement speed for additional armor options, a slightly larger health pool, ability-based safety net, and a bit of support (think War banners, Inspire, etc.). Blade soul gives the DPS side a slightly different spin as well.
• Templar - A highly tactical longsword-wielding DPS with a decent set of support skills. Not capable of being a true tank by any means, but it can get a lot out of its absorbs. Somewhat anti-magic in niche, but its parry makes it no joke vs. physical either. Similar to a mixture of Rune Fencer, Mystic Knight, and Sword Saint. Continuing in Templar past the point at which Mage Knight is offered goes in a more pure-physical route, more similar to Sword Saint. DPS similar to DRG, but without the piercing bonus, made up for with a tad bit more support in other ways.
• Templar -> Mage Knight - Specializes in magic sealing and releases, offering a larger variety of support functions while DPSing. NIN-level DPS. Good raid utility, offensive and especially defensive.
• Adept - Staff-wielding martial artist capable of a large variety magical attacks. Hybrid DPS. Highly versatile. If it had a class, it'd be called Pilgrim...
• OR Dancer - Hybrid DPS. Battlefield manipulator. Will edit more info in later.
• OR Hunter/Ranger

If Ala Mhigo:

• Hunter/Ranger - either the Hunter as above or a simpler pure-DPS alternative to Bard.
• Templar
• Fencer - Still viable alongside Red Mage and Sword Saint.
• Fencer -> Red Mage
• Fencer -> Sword Saint - as more of a Noctis/Stella styled blade-caster. DRG-level DPS, capable of mild support through parrying attacks not necessarily aimed at the Sword Saint himself, etc. Blades can be combined for some very interesting effects.

[Misutoraru]

I would love to see
Time Mage: healer focus on hot, and debuff ot with the ability to slow, speed up and consume all tick

Samurai: tank focus on buff and debuff or may be even parry once it got fix

No DPS since we already have more than enough variety atm

Following by Dancer: healer, issue with it, feel very weird to see male roe dancer, no offence

[LukeStuz]

I love how people have already forgotten that the devs have already ruled out Blue Mage because they feel that the inherent mechanics for that class clash completely with the style of play that FFXIV requires, skills based vs gear based basically.

I would personally love to see something like WoW's Druids placed in this game, the ability to shapeshift and gain abilities based upon the form you take would be a nice switch from the other classes at this point.

Yoshi has NEVER said no to Blue mage, only said that it was kinda hard to do in a Party Setting but seems good for solo content, because he's worried that Blue Mages might be avoided to bring along if the person doesn't have the ability the party wants so difficult to do in a MMORPG setting, so you're wrong to say that the developers flat out said no to bring Blue Mages to FFXIV since it's one of the most popular jobs that requested along side RDM / SAM / NIN and DRK with the latter two being already added....

and here's the proof of the comment if you look @ 0:53:21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/191993

So where does it say "the developers have ruled out Blue Mage"?

[Zebyxus]

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So where does it say "the developers have ruled out Blue Mage"?

To Quote: "Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with."

Whilst it was not directly said, it is eluded to that the style of play required to bring the most out of Blue Mage clashes with the style of play required for FFXIV, effectively ruling out the class, unless you'd like to see it implemented in a way that people would cry as being broken, leading to my favourite call "Make it as it was in XI".

[LukeStuz]

To Quote: "Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with."

Whilst it was not directly said, it is eluded to that the style of play required to bring the most out of Blue Mage clashes with the style of play required for FFXIV, effectively ruling out the class, unless you'd like to see it implemented in a way that people would cry as being broken, leading to my favourite call "Make it as it was in XI".

But the problem is, you flat out stated that they would never bring Blue mage to FFXIV, all yoshi said was, it was hard to work with in a mmorpg but he still would like to work on it

"I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with."

so there's a yes and no, as balance issues is what he's concerned with but at the same time he's seeing how he could potentially bring BLU into FFXIV

[Zebyxus]

Because when you read their reply on the matter, it can be reasonably taken as "I'd like to, but no". Besides, we all know that the devs will do what they will without our interjection on the matters they tackle, so they may very well prove me wrong, in which case I would be glad to say I'm wrong, but until then I still find it a reasonable stance to take that BLU will not be a part of this game.