Whats with people hating F2P?

[kuma_aus]

If this game was F2P, this is how it would be.

No Armory Bonus, no rested bonus, no GC scrolls to increase DoL and DoH exp. Instead you can buy 50%, 100%, 150% and 200% EXP charms in a cash shop to help you level up those pesky alts. These are also tradeable, so you can pay for gil by basically selling these.

Best MP and HP potions would be cash shop as well. Max Ether and Max Potion will be cash shop exclusive, $1 for a pack of 5 or so. Tradeable again.

Only mounts you get are the main story ones. So only Chocobo, Black Chocobo and Dragon from 3.0. Everything else cash shop. As time goes on, rare mounts with faster movespeed than other mounts are released as cash shop exclusive. Tradeable again, best way to get 50 million gil is to spend $250 in cash shop to buy these faster move speed mounts and sell on market board.

Less minions in game, most are in cash shop. All tradeable.

[AlphaFox]

Oh and don't forget the biggest of em all. Want more inventory? Better shell out that cash for more space cus your first retainer sure won't be free.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

I came from a name called Dragon Nest SEA before switching to FF when I decided that F2P games are the worse. Each level cap lasts a year and to fully gear one character you need about 5~6k USD which lasts for a year before you spend the same amount on the next cap. Costumes costs 30~35USD and they are binded to just one class. They update their gachas every month and the new ones will indefinitely be stronger and game breaking than the previous, you spent at an average of 350~ 800 USD(players have opened 1300 boxes before for an item, 1box=1$).
Developers never held the players' interest in mind and when they say class balances, it never happens. If they do nerf a class its to release a newer class.

I could tell you this from experience because I've spent 25k USD on it over 4 years. Aside from that it has the a very toxic community where the Cash spenders feel like they are the VIP and have a say in everything, no equality and there is a major discrimination there.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

Most players refuse to work and feel like they can pay their way through everything. Average players spend about 400USD a year for just to be able to do up-to-date content. Whereas if you are going for first raid clear with a prize pool, 6~7k USD to gear up is the bare minimum. I've participated before and it isn't worth it.
http://dn.cherrycredits.com/greendragonresult

I'd rather pay 13USD a month and at least I know the developers here implement the things that are ethically right where content is somewhat more consistent then where I came from and where class discrimination is worse. Although P2P game will not appeal to the mass, if FF has managed to keep its P2P modue for this long(unlike TERA that had to switched) I think its safe to say they have no issues making the game P2P and I'd happily sub then to pay for a F2P like dragon nest.

Of course its more grindy than a F2P game and sure it isn’t for everyone, even I don’t have the time to invest in it. I’ve done hardcore raiding in dragon nest raiding from 7pm right after work till 3am and waking up 4hrs later for work. I’m enjoying the game as a casual player now.
I've brought my friends over and we are all very happy here. Either way if FF does switch to F2P I believe with the playerbase they can pull through, but Kuma_aus mentioned that will most likely be how our cashshop will head towards.

[Melondra]

PSO2 Japan Version IS a P2W no subscription fee, game got very boring very fast and your damage output was determend by how much realm money you dumped into it. And all these fanboys wonder why it will never be released into the US. Speacial events and the live conserts ingame are probably the best ive seen in a MMO, but that all that game has got going for it. Any weapon or armor accessory that are even worth using all all behind Paywalls, wish is the reason it has not been released in the US even though it was scheduled for a US Release in 2012.

[Immut]

China worst example. FFXIV There sells lvl 50 and other boosters. Many of them have limited internet like paying by minute and stuff like that, so their MMO thing is a little faster passed in compensation, and that's to help those with minutely payed internet connections so people can still enjoy themselves in case they have barriers like these, to make their little time to play more rewarding. China =/= West

Of course it is, that's why I posted it. The point being most of the F2P mmo games you're used to were made by companies with a different business plan and were not intended to last as long as FFXIV or FFXI.

because if it went f2p there will be a sharp drop in content release.

That wasn't true for DDO. I can't remember my account password so I can't unsubscribe from their newsletter, so I know they're getting new content every couple months.

[Shyle]

sniparoo.

You already pretty much described what's in the cash shop already for FFXIV, although not as extreme.

Retainers are buyable in mogstation, outfits from several events and exclusive outfits are available, a mount as well. Various other services are also available in mogstation (Fantasia, etc).

I don't think SE would go as far as you're saying, it's a pretty common fear from people to think that the game will go completely pay-wall blocked (as mentioned by the dragon nest guy, which is REALLY rare in most mainstream f2p games).

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

You already pretty much described what's in the cash shop already for FFXIV, although not as extreme.
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I think most game are like this now, especially Korean ones. Most of the game have the same money making method, because it was so successful in maple story many games tried to adopt the idea but have failed. But still most F2P games attract players because they play without risk, whereas P2P games have to be purchased to determine whether you would stay or not.

But I'd be glad ff sticks to P2P. F2P games earnings are mostly focused on the cashers which makes a small minority and the developers in those games are more focus on making items that will sell rather than content that will sustain the player base. I've seem unpleasant people here but in F2P games its worse, its the mindset and the kind of people the game attracts, people who are envious because of they won't get picked because they can't afford gears, Cashers who have the best gears but never work to get better skill wise.

[Immut]

But I'd be glad ff sticks to P2P. F2P games earnings are mostly focused on the cashers which makes a small minority and the developers in those games are more focus on making items that will sell rather than content that will sustain the player base. I've seem unpleasant people here but in F2P games its worse, its the mindset and the kind of people the game attracts, people who are envious because of they won't get picked because they can't afford gears, Cashers who have the best gears but never work to get better skill wise.

Only if you're bad at game design. A well designed F2P game earns money from its free players because they attract paying players. The community is itself an asset of the game. Just having people play will attract more people, some (very low) percent of whom will with some probability pay some amount of money on average over some amount of time (usually amounts to far more than your average sub fee). There are analysts who calculate this sort of thing. I'm not one of them. I took a statistics class in college once. But this means that the free experience has to be "good enough" to keep people playing. Again, see Hawken. The free experience is not good enough to keep people playing, so that game is dead as hell.

[NatSilverguard]

$15 a month for a hobby is so damn cheap that i don't understand why this sh!tty thread is even posted. :X

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