One or more players are doing this dungeon for the first time.

[Shai]

Sometimes I run dungeons on my alt. That message occurs. People stop to explain things to me that I've done 100 times. I pull cause I get bored. They get mad but we win anyway because I'm not an idiot and I didn't ask for help. Life goes on.

My point is just as valid as yours because it happened to me, just as your happened to you.

The point of my story about nothing is if you're new and you want help, ask for help. If you don't get help, then assume it's easy content or wipe the party a few time for lols and say "Well, I said I need help..." when they vote kick you report them to GMs who will "investigate the matter" and that's all the closure you'll get. Life goes on.

[Leigaon]

Or however the sentence goes...
I think people don't pay enough attention to this. Why does almost nobody wait until at least one person has explained the fight mechanics to the new person (especially if they even asked for this themselves) BEFORE the fight?

First off congrats of being someone who whether the new guy wants to hear it or not you're help explaining the fights if needed. As to why some just ignore it? There's a lot of people who want the fight to be a surprise to them, much like you or I did when we first stepped in. Others, they are alts and they already know the fight. But! It is their job to say something, anything, so you know where they stand. It doesn't take long you're right to explain a few key points of the boss fight. Not saying they are right but just saying these are exceptions. I see you're just taking the precaution to make sure the fight can go smooth.

If they are too lazy to ask at the start of the dungeon, they have all the trash up until the boss to ask, if they don't they probably won't read it anyway.

Not to mention why would you want to spoil a fight for a newbie.

TLR not a babysitter stop expecting other people to spoon feed players

This i also right for the most part, if they do not say anything how do we know they haven't read a fight description? Or this is their alt? And of course there's the thrill of going at this first hand. Still it shouldn't be seen as spoon feeding, though some are so bad at doing things in this game that it feels that way. What you're doing should be considered teamwork, taking what you have and working together to make the run as efficient and effective as possible. Then again if you are tired of lending a few words of wisdom, and I can understand after so many times of doing it that it falls on deaf ears some people are sick of it, then don't..but don't get too upset if they wipe from a "simple" mechanic and expect it to happen.

Still, also it's the new players job to hopefully take some time to think or ask what they did wrong. They might not be able to figure it out as quick as you, in which case kudos to you. Either way it comes down to one major thing, communication.

[Malicewolf]

So I'd just like to put this out there. Console player's don't automatically get a keyboard to type with to play FFXIV. Now me personally; I went out to buy one when I hit level 25 and realized; yup, I'm gonna be playing this game for a while.

But until I got the keyboard, it took me 5 minutes to type out a message if I had something to say. Sure, I could of only typed, "new" and hoped those playing with me don't go running off (which has happened). When I was new and first got copperbell mines, I was wailing away at the blob as a gladiator and then killed the bomb whenever it spawned. I had no clue. One of the player's said, "he's level 24 and doesn't know how to do this dungeon, what an idiot". I couldn't even defend myself because I had no keyboard and we were still in the middle of the fight. I had no clue what I was supposed to be doing as there was no explanation and sastasha (the only other dungeon before this) was very straight forward. Luckily, there was a nice person like the OP who defended me as he saw I had a nice little leaf next to my name and then proceeded to tell me what to do.

Hence, simply ask if you get a "new player" status. You don't have to start explaining right off the bat. Simple ask, "do you know the mechanics to this fight/dungeon?" or "do you need any explanations on what to do?"
Then if it's an alt, they can do their thing without listening to how to do a dungeon they know. If it's a newbie who doesn't want to "spoil" anything, then they'll not answer (but as someone else has said, they can lead to wipes and EVEN MORE time in the dungeon).

[Ashiee]

Personally, I tend to ask the person if he wants explanations (Ever since I met that one person who didn't want to be spoiled).
No or no answer = No, Yes = I'll explain.

I appreciate when people who do ask a new person if they want explanations or not. Some people just don't like explanations when you go in the first time, which is fine in most situations.

[Ayanno]

I've always found it funny that in FFXI, damn near every fight was explained prior to engaging, regardless of how difficult the content was. Whomever put the run together made sure everyone had an idea of what to expect; sometimes going so far as to break it down by job expectations(RDM Chain-Stun, for example) In contrast, FFXIV seems like there are far to many who say "watch a video" or the beyond idiotic "git gud" pr "why should vets bother.

Part of it is that different eras have different beliefs. Another part of it is that all content is pretty much done via cross-server duties, where nobody gives a damn about consquences, and lastly, another part of it is the vertical progression state of the game. Add it all up and....well, ya see the results. Not just for new players/first time in the duty, but across the board.

[Callinon]

Part of it is that different eras have different beliefs. Another part of it is that all content is pretty much done via cross-server duties, where nobody gives a damn about consquences, and lastly, another part of it is the vertical progression state of the game. Add it all up and....well, ya see the results. Not just for new players/first time in the duty, but across the board.

Another part of that is that guide videos were not super common when FFXI was in its prime.

Don't get me wrong. Telling people to watch a video prior to a 4-man dungeon run is asinine. But let's be clear on the timelines here before we start drawing conclusions about culture changes over a decade.

[JoolzS]

When I run Copperbell for fun as a SCH (so the fairy can heal and I can type), I always ask, just before that boss fight, "Does everyone know not to kill the bombs?" Responses vary from "Yep" to "I do now" .. the "I do now" replies make me happy, because I've taught without anyone feeling bad. After that earlier question I can then say "Everyone burn the boss and ignore the adds" on the final boss, and they already trust me. I have also stayed around for a while after the dungeon has finished to explain why things are done that way NOW.

I do run alts, and when I go into a dungeon and that message pops up I usually say something along the lines of "That message might just be because of me, but I'm on an alt and have been here before. If someone is new, please speak up".

[Ralvenom]

If they are too lazy to ask at the start of the dungeon, they have all the trash up until the boss to ask, if they don't they probably won't read it anyway.

This.

It's not the group's fault if the new person doesn't get how to do the boss.

[Drunklotus]

If you see the notice that tells you there is a new player in the dungeon you are currently running why not take the time before each boss and explain the basic layout of the fight. There is no harm in giving a quick and conscience game plan for what is about to come. Someone mentioned in a post earlier that most of the fights in dungeons are easy peasy (dodging aoes, and killing adds). But sometimes there are subtle nuances to a fight i.e the spriggans in snowcloak during the yeti fight. There should be little to no harm in "spoonfeeding" this information to the noobs, because as most people will attest in this game, time is everything. That way we all walk away from the experience a better player overall. And the newbie can pass on his knowledge to other fresh players. This is an mmo people. Meaning it is overwhelmingly community driven. The better mindset of the community, the better mindset of the player.

[Tremara]

If you see the notice that tells you there is a new player in the dungeon you are currently running why not take the time before each boss and explain the basic layout of the fight.

Because I'm not their babysitter. Because I had to learn the fight myself. Because either newbies go in blind or inform BEFOREHAND.
I'm not their guide.

And yes, it's an unpopular opinion.