The new raiding meta is making me want to quit.

[SargentToughie]

big changes come in 3.2 keep the hope.

I really wish I understood what everybody's obsession was with trying to gimp DPSing tanks. When I don't have any of my friends online and I make the mistake of joining Duty Finder solo, I can say with absolute certainty that I ADORE the ability to pick up the slack of my team and throw out enough damage to beat all but the most sharp of DPS players. I'm reasonably certain that if that power of mastery was taken away from me, the ability to be so good at my role that I'm able to do my job AND THEN some, it would push me away from tanking.

And to be frank, Tanks and Healers have been able to DPS since the advent of 2.0, but NOW it's a huge problem and everybody wants it to change?

[DragonSlayer45]

And to be frank, Tanks and Healers have been able to DPS since the advent of 2.0, but NOW it's a huge problem and everybody wants it to change?

Healers and Tanks doing DPS should be a bonus that helps finish the fight quicker, or help you clear when you are vastly undergeared from the item level the fight was intended to be cleared at. When it becomes a huge requirement, like in Savage (specifically with A3S), then there's an issue with the game design. Aside from that, I quit raiding because Savage was beyond boring. They hit a sweet spot with Second and (arguably) Final Coil but they just completely dropped the ball with Savage Alexander.

[Ashkendor]

Aside from that, I quit raiding because Savage was beyond boring. They hit a sweet spot with Second and (arguably) Final Coil but they just completely dropped the ball with Savage Alexander.

I can't blame you. I can really see why A3S has broken a lot of statics and made a lot of raiders quit. SCoB and FCoB were truly engaging raid content. Sure the world-firsters were planting flags over T9 and T13 within a week of release, but who the hell cares? A1S and A2S weren't too bad, but I'm seriously already disliking A3S. A crapload of punishing mechanics overlaying an equally punishing DPS check just isn't my idea of a good time. My static isn't quitting and we aren't breaking up, but we are taking A3S slowly. It's actually on a back burner right now in favor of Thordan EX, simply because the i205 weapons will help across the board.

Well the current FFXIV definition of a 'tank' doesn't even remotely resemble the normal definition of a tank in gaming, that's for sure...

On FFXIV, you're either a DPS with defensive cooldowns or you're a Paladin. >.>

[NaySilver]

I really wish I understood what everybody's obsession was with trying to gimp DPSing tanks. When I don't have any of my friends online and I make the mistake of joining Duty Finder solo, I can say with absolute certainty that I ADORE the ability to pick up the slack of my team and throw out enough damage to beat all but the most sharp of DPS players. I'm reasonably certain that if that power of mastery was taken away from me, the ability to be so good at my role that I'm able to do my job AND THEN some, it would push me away from tanking.

And to be frank, Tanks and Healers have been able to DPS since the advent of 2.0, but NOW it's a huge problem and everybody wants it to change?

Just take a look to the healer's forum: only threads about dps.

Right now for many players the main task of healers and tanks is to do dps. This is the problem and this is the difference with the 2.0 meta.

[SargentToughie]

Just take a look to the healer's forum: only threads about dps.

Right now for many players the main task of healers and tanks is to do dps. This is the problem and this is the difference with the 2.0 meta.

The only difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is that people are being held accountable now. I can't tell you how many Scholars I've seen while leveling that stand still for upwards of 4-5 GCDs because they don't need to heal. Nothing in this game, outside of coils, has ever been so hard that it was impossible for the healer to DPS. But now in 3.0 people lost their free ride because of 'the raiding scene' and now everybody wants to quit? I can't help but wonder just how many of these healers are just mad that they lost their ability to watch Anime or something while in a dungeon...

[Gardthorne]

people lost their free ride. I can't help but wonder just how many of these healers are just mad that they lost their ability to watch Anime or something while in a dungeon...

Sitting on your ass waiting for your mana to come back is literally a core gameplay mechanic for healers in a lot of other MMOs so they're probably upset they have to press buttons.

There's no good excuse for a tank to complain about tank dps though. I don't understand the posters that want to 'focus on aggro'. You want to push button B instead of button A at the cost of being a less effective class overall? DPS is aggro.

[ShiloEET]

Sitting on your ass waiting for your mana to come back is literally a core gameplay mechanic for healers in a lot of other MMOs so they're probably upset they have to press buttons.

There's no good excuse for a tank to complain about tank dps though. I don't understand the posters that want to 'focus on aggro'. You want to push button B instead of button A at the cost of being a less effective class overall? DPS is aggro.

We shouldn't have to gear for dps instead of defense. The offense should already be there.

[Gardthorne]

We shouldn't have to gear for dps instead of defense. The offense should already be there.

Gearing is a separate issue from gameplay. VIT is just poorly designed.

[shao32]

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whe dont want to rip our dps, only whe want our defensive stats get the same reward as ofensive stats, whe dont want a redesing of the tank jobs, whe talking about stats no skills.

[Priya]

I really wish I understood what everybody's obsession was with trying to gimp DPSing tanks. When I don't have any of my friends online and I make the mistake of joining Duty Finder solo, I can say with absolute certainty that I ADORE the ability to pick up the slack of my team and throw out enough damage to beat all but the most sharp of DPS players. I'm reasonably certain that if that power of mastery was taken away from me, the ability to be so good at my role that I'm able to do my job AND THEN some, it would push me away from tanking.

And to be frank, Tanks and Healers have been able to DPS since the advent of 2.0, but NOW it's a huge problem and everybody wants it to change?

DF isn't really where it's a problem. The fact that raiding focuses so intently on healers and tanks DPS'ing is typically the issue. DF can still easily be done without tank/healer DPS (even though most healers will DPS low-man content to avoid boredom or carry bad DPS, which is perfectly fine; low-man is meant to be easy). Real raiding (aka savage) is where the problem tends to lie; healer and tank DPS is typically a must.

Perhaps if SE had mid-tier content where tanks/healers didn't have to push DPS to the absolute limits, it might be okay; however, they do not, and not everyone views "pump as much DPS out as humanly possible while doing the role I actually chose on the side" as a fun way to challenge themselves. Personally, I want to be challenged as a healer in raids, not as a DPS who heals.