The new raiding meta is making me want to quit.

[SargentToughie]

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Yeah, I discussed this earlier on. However, I'm pretty certain that when it comes to raiding in this game, getting out more damage is always going to be the endgame. Looking at 3.0 we've got a huge slew of new damage skills on all tanks and healers, and due to the formulaic setup that each raid boss has with their skills and tank busters, excess mitigation is pointless.

Is that the way it SHOULD be? Depends on your playstyle and preferences. This is the way that FF14 is, and I'm pretty certain that it's the way that FF14 always will be.

[Stanelis]

Yeah, I discussed this earlier on. However, I'm pretty certain that when it comes to raiding in this game, getting out more damage is always going to be the endgame. Looking at 3.0 we've got a huge slew of new damage skills on all tanks and healers, and due to the formulaic setup that each raid boss has with their skills and tank busters, excess mitigation is pointless.

Is that the way it SHOULD be? Depends on your playstyle and preferences. This is the way that FF14 is, and I'm pretty certain that it's the way that FF14 always will be.

Well high damage should be expected from DPS in high end content. However, different things should be expected from tanks or healers.

As I said, if the only way tanks or healer can make a difference is by their DPS, then the game has a huge issue and won't last long (the raids anyway).

[Ultima]

Well high damage should be expected from DPS in high end content. However, different things should be expected from tanks or healers.

As I said, if the only way tanks or healer can make a difference is by their DPS, then the game has a huge issue and won't last long (the raids anyway).

Then you admit the game has a huge issue that isn't being addressed. That's good, the first step to recovery is acceptance.

[Stanelis]

Then you admit the game has a huge issue that isn't being addressed. That's good, the first step to recovery is acceptance.

What ? I've stopped raiding in FFXIV since AS came out because I immediatly noticed it was poorly designed. Since then I have been crticizing how the battle system of heavensward was designed.

[Ultima]

What ? I've stopped raiding in FFXIV since AS came out because I immediatly noticed it was poorly designed. Since then I have been crticizing how the battle system of heavensward was designed.

The battle system is exactly the same as it was in ARR. I don't see why it took until now for people to realize the problem. The game is too easy and the raid content is restricted to min-maxers of every role and there is no sign of that changing any time soon, it doesn't help that the community wants to do inane things like be a 30k hp tank in shield oath while the boss does chip damage or a healer who has HoTs running and won't Cleric while the tank is regenerating immediately.

[Stanelis]

The battle system is exactly the same as it was in ARR. I don't see why it took until now for people to realize the problem. The game is too easy and the raid content is restricted to min-maxers of every role and there is no sign of that changing any time soon, it doesn't help that the community wants to do inane things like be a 30k hp tank in shield oath while the boss does chip damage or a healer who has HoTs running and won't Cleric while the tank is regenerating immediately.

Mate I play FFXIV since the beta (both the 2.0 and the 1.0 one) and was a FFXI player, trust me I noticed the issue since the beginning.

The difference between 2.0 and 3.0 was that, in 2.0, you didn't have to use a huge number of abilities just to do something as simple as DPSing. Poople have been talking about how FFXIV was lacking of utilities abilities (which is the true root of the raiding problem in FFXIv, along with the 8 man meta, which limit how SE can design their raids) since the beta. Obviously it is more costly to program new skill effects rather than implementing abilities which deal flat amounts of damage, that s why we won't see any improvement...