PLD Raise while in combat please!

[KingOfAbyss]

The difference between Paladin having a raise in battle and a summoner having raise is that a Paladin can get hit by a truck and live; a summoner cannot (No defensive CDs even). Most classes share a bum skill. (RUIN) White mages get 3 good cross class and share very good cross class. Stoneskin (maybe protect over mercy sometimes) + MRD cross is all PLD needs. If Paladin does need more utility they shouldn't be looking at cross class to improve themselves.

Then tell me why we needed CNJ to unlock our job.

We don't use Cure at all (even before Clemency), Stoneskin now seems irrelevant to the point of leaving it to healers. Protect? Same - Healers.

We mostly use all from MRD.

This is an ability we have and can use, but it's useless. So I want to make a use of it.

If you don't want to use it, up to you.

I don't need that to 'perform' the way you are typing.

It's a 'plus' that would be nice to get.

[Rawrz]

Then tell me why we needed CNJ to unlock our job.

We don't use Cure at all (even before Clemency), Stoneskin now seems irrelevant to the point of leaving it to healers. Protect? Same - Healers.

We mostly use all from MRD.

This is an ability we have and can use, but it's useless. So I want to make a use of it.

If you don't want to use it, up to you.

I don't need that to 'perform' the way you are typing.

It's a 'plus' that would be nice to get.

A good Paladin will proactively use Stoneskin. A generous Paladin will protect when a low mp healer cannot. How surprising that a tank class borrows 3 maybe 4 skills from its tanking counterpart. (War borrows conva, provoke, awareness at the minimum and possibly flash. Not like Paladin is apart of their lore)

[Malicewolf]

A good Paladin will proactively use Stoneskin. A generous Paladin will protect when a low mp healer cannot. How surprising that a tank class borrows 3 maybe 4 skills from its tanking counterpart. (War borrows conva, provoke, awareness at the minimum and possibly flash. Not like Paladin is apart of their lore)

Er. Ok, yes a stoneskin in the middle of a fight during a long aoe works. But if it hits EVERYONE a good healer will stoneskin II. If it's a specific area/target, a good tank will gtfo of the aoe. Not put stoneskin on. If it's mid fight, there's the chance you get interrupted too. A generous paladin can reapply protect to a downed dps during a fight. But protect is not top priority. It is a little boost.

As for cross class, second wind and internal release are great for WAR. The cross class is useful. DRK gets both tank crosses. PLD gets redundancies or useless cross from conjurer

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Er. Ok, yes a stoneskin in the middle of a fight during a long aoe works. But if it hits EVERYONE a good healer will stoneskin II. If it's a specific area/target, a good tank will gtfo of the aoe. Not put stoneskin on. If it's mid fight, there's the chance you get interrupted too. A generous paladin can reapply protect to a downed dps during a fight. But protect is not top priority. It is a little boost.

As for cross class, second wind and internal release are great for WAR. The cross class is useful. DRK gets both tank crosses. PLD gets redundancies or useless cross from conjurer

Stop. Stoneskin II can't be used in battle.

[Kosmos992k]

Stop. Stoneskin II can't be used in battle.

I hate to say it, but I smiled at this in a topic bemoaning the lact of battle use for Raise on PLD. It's amusing, but doesn't alter the issue of course.

[AlexSag]

I would love this. In 4 man duty finder groups and if a healer goes down early into a boss fight, it doesn't matter how skilled the rest of the party is, you are probably not taking down the boss. With the ability to use raise, I'd be able to save us the trouble of having to reset just because one person messed up. Most people seem to agree that this isn't going to ruin tank balance. If it adds a bit of utility and doesn't really hurt anything, why not?

[Malicewolf]

Stop. Stoneskin II can't be used in battle.

Whoops, you're right there. That was my b. Knee jerk reaction on that one. Healer ain't my cup o tea.

But to Rawr's post that i originally posted. Yes, tanks using other tanks cross class skills ain't the problem. It's that the CNJ cross class doesn't have very good utility. Cure's are crap. Protect is always given prior to fights. Stoneskin is always given prior to fights (but I will admit, stoneskin is a great move, but still not amazing. Especially in 4 man dungeons as the healer will almost always reapply before pulls). Raise is useless. If we don't take protect or stoneskin with us, VERY seldom will anyone even care, let alone notice. Because it's not that useful to us or others.

[KingOfAbyss]

A good Paladin will proactively use Stoneskin. A generous Paladin will protect when a low mp healer cannot. How surprising that a tank class borrows 3 maybe 4 skills from its tanking counterpart. (War borrows conva, provoke, awareness at the minimum and possibly flash. Not like Paladin is apart of their lore)

Not sure if I'm playing the same game than you, but I was used to Stoneskin myself to help Healer's MP, once we cleared trash until the next pull, until some told me it's useless and a waste of time, not moving forward fast enough to pull..

so my GF use Swift+Stoneskin 2 in between.. >.<