PLD Raise while in combat please!

[Malicewolf]

Stop. Stoneskin II can't be used in battle.

Whoops, you're right there. That was my b. Knee jerk reaction on that one. Healer ain't my cup o tea.

But to Rawr's post that i originally posted. Yes, tanks using other tanks cross class skills ain't the problem. It's that the CNJ cross class doesn't have very good utility. Cure's are crap. Protect is always given prior to fights. Stoneskin is always given prior to fights (but I will admit, stoneskin is a great move, but still not amazing. Especially in 4 man dungeons as the healer will almost always reapply before pulls). Raise is useless. If we don't take protect or stoneskin with us, VERY seldom will anyone even care, let alone notice. Because it's not that useful to us or others.

[KingOfAbyss]

You sound mad. Stop being mad. While my statement was over the top, I do agree that adding Holy to PLD would make sense, I would disagree that adding battle raise to a PLD makes sense. As far as I can find, but I haven't looked everywhere, the only FF game that gives PLD raise is FFXI. Cecil doesn't have it. None of the tactics games have it. While having a light healing ability and holy make sense, raise still does not.

I saw your other posts concerning PLD and your sense of justice and so..

For me, a PLD in other games or other lore, not just FF, since SE even takes stuff from other games like GW2 and insert it into their own games.

so like a Crusader, who uphold the highest virtue a man can achieve, with justice in his right hand (sword), and to protect the people with his left hand (shield), he prays for God to bless him to live for another day so he can pursue his vows and then if so, even raising comes to mind. (so close to GOD they can bring miracles, like CNJ!)

In less RP terms, don't give crap cross-class skills if you don't intent to give the players a full usage of it; not halfway with a skill, it's useless. (and lots of other cross-class skills for other jobs, what were they smoking?)

[KingOfAbyss]

A good Paladin will proactively use Stoneskin. A generous Paladin will protect when a low mp healer cannot. How surprising that a tank class borrows 3 maybe 4 skills from its tanking counterpart. (War borrows conva, provoke, awareness at the minimum and possibly flash. Not like Paladin is apart of their lore)

Not sure if I'm playing the same game than you, but I was used to Stoneskin myself to help Healer's MP, once we cleared trash until the next pull, until some told me it's useless and a waste of time, not moving forward fast enough to pull..

so my GF use Swift+Stoneskin 2 in between.. >.<

[Kosmos992k]

If you honestly think Stoneskin is useless, you're doing PLD wrong. Oops sorry, there goes my endgame point of view again.

Actually I use it regularly, I don't consider it to be completely useless, however if you've spent any time on the tank forum (which I am sure you have) then you will have seen many posters declaring it a waste of time and MP to cast StoneSkin. I do cast StoneSkin, on myself and on others while tanking. I should probably go back and change my comment to say thee, not four, along with an asterisk pointing out that many apparently consider StoneSkin a pointless waste of time and MP, though I personally do not.

Alternately I can leave this note here.




Since Cure is so weak that the high level boss auto attacks overwhelm it, it's a patent waste of MP, Protect is cast by Healers and lasts 30 minutes so outside solo use it's not really worth using. Raise is, as I pointed out, unusable in any meaningful way, it even being quicker to switch to WHM out of combat to perform the raise, rather than messing around with cross skill settings and waiting for the cool down. That leaves Stoneskin as the only skill that is useful in the 4 we're talking about, and some strongly question that too.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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I keep Stoneskin on my first cross skill slot just incase the healer doesn't have it crossed or we're in a dungeon where it's locked by the level sync.I personally find it to be worth the skill slot (Since PLD's Raise is 100% worthless, Protect is usually a moot point, and cure is less useful than a potion). There's really not a lot of cross skills that are worth a slot. Like I'm never, not even once, going tp cross Skull Sunder on Dragoon so it's not even considered. But Pugilist's Second Wind is certainly valuable. It just so happens that more than half of PLD's cross skills are unusable or borderline useless. Stoneskin is not one of those how ever.