Disturbing trend with tanks

[Yunona]

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I will say this, if you have issues, you can join my server and I will tank for you. I think it will be easier cause I don't leave dungeons, ever. Its not my nature. Also my response to the other was because of the 24 hour ban. Yeah that sounds reasonable. Your idea of 15 mins plus each time is good, but 24 hours. I was not gonna sit by and let them say anything. I am very hot headed, but I am passionate about stuff too.

[Axel_Cross]

I am weird I suppose because I love the way it is. There is some dungeons I wont do.. with in reason, but its rare; however I do like the fact that I can leave when I want. If I do a low level duty roulette and I get AV, DH, or PS (easy), I rather take a 30 min wait then a 2 hour dungeon.

also not afraid to tell you that, something like this, "to the tank thats sucking:" You are probably having an off day, we all get them, but right now your making this run suck and I hate to do it but I am just getting upset and would rather leave then to finish the run with you guys. nothing personal and wish you the best of luck"

something like that. I always give my reason for leaving. Again I am happy that I can leave when I want and I think the 30 min timer sucks but I can go mine or gather while waiting to go back in.

[Atoli]

If I do a low level duty roulette and I get AV, DH, or PS (easy), I rather take a 30 min wait then a 2 hour dungeon.

I never understood this logic in the first place. You can't even stay in a dungeon for 2 hours, you know that, right?

Even really bad runs take like 50 min at most. If you add up the 30 min penalty for leaving and how long the smoothest run EVER of any other dungeon would take, you'd still be going over those 50 minutes.
And that's not even accounting for the wait time you'd have after signing up again which might very well go up to ACTUAL 2 hours as a dps...

I don't like AV and the like either, but come on, leaving is obviously way more of a time waste.

[Kohta]

After reading the arguments and opinions; it sounds like the people who are for it want the crappy dungeon to be full of overgeared/MLG people or the dungeon they want, which is selfish - the point of the roulette is to potentially pair higher level people with people trying to get through the content at a increased reward for your assistance, I say: if you aren't willing to do that, then just don't queue for it. As mainly a healer I have healed through AV with tanks and DPS who don't know what they are doing/first time, I expect it and I offer to teach people how to do it, same goes for that lower level Garuda, most of the time they wipe out 3 or 4 times. Coming from a long FFXI career where cooperation was required, I expect no less from a game that doesn't force PVP down your throat.

[ShadowYomi]

Seems you will end up shooting yourself in the foot more than the high level people who leave. They will probably either find something else to grind, run only with people they know, or not run at all.

[Saevel]

Or leave it alone and encourage people to make friends and play with them?
Because you know its an MMORPG and not a call of duty matchmaking game.

To be clear, I'm not advocating changing the system. I'm suggested to those that do that a time-based penalty would not have an increased positive effect. Especially considering that people in this thread alone have already suggested treating the lockout more like a cooldown than a penalty.

And if we're talking about the duty finder (and more specifically roulettes), suggesting that people make friends and go about their play that way is not rightly the point. Sure, a player should make friends in the game, but you are unfairly blaming the ones that queue solo for this specific outcome. Notwithstanding the fact the some of the roulettes require you to be solo.

[BroodingFicus]

After reading the arguments and opinions; it sounds like the people who are for it want the crappy dungeon to be full of overgeared/MLG people or the dungeon they want, which is selfish - the point of the roulette is to potentially pair higher level people with people trying to get through the content at a increased reward for your assistance, I say: if you aren't willing to do that, then just don't queue for it. As mainly a healer I have healed through AV with tanks and DPS who don't know what they are doing/first time, I expect it and I offer to teach people how to do it, same goes for that lower level Garuda, most of the time they wipe out 3 or 4 times. Coming from a long FFXI career where cooperation was required, I expect no less from a game that doesn't force PVP down your throat.

100% agree. If you queue in the leveling roulette as a high level player you are more or less doing so with the knowledge you may get a low level dungeon you don't like and/or low level players who may not have been there before. Wipes may occur, gear might be bad, people may not know their class (HW classes running SV for the first time), etc etc. Its exactly what the package says: a place for players leveling up. So why enter into it with the attitude that you are going to leave if you don't get something fast and easy? If you want to only run with high level/well geared people, queue for the lvl 60 dungeons in my opinion. Stay out of low level unless you're willing to put in the time/effort to help people out. If after a while it seems like the run is impossible to do for whatever reason, say that and leave but dodging out at the beginning just burns my toast ok.

[Sirweed]

Let's the PURGE begin !

[Seraph]

Any increased penalty to leaving would just make people abuse afk or forced d/c to get kicked to get out of the group instead anyway. Personally I'm in favor of anyone who bails on a group within the first 15 minutes loses the roulette bonus for that day. Any group that still struggles after that point is most likely going to vote abandon anyway or they would have made it far enough that taking an additional 30 minute penalty would take longer than sticking it out.

[Legion88]

Any increased penalty to leaving would just make people abuse afk or forced d/c to get kicked to get out of the group instead anyway. Personally I'm in favor of anyone who bails on a group within the first 15 minutes loses the roulette bonus for that day. Any group that still struggles after that point is most likely going to vote abandon anyway or they would have made it far enough that taking an additional 30 minute penalty would take longer than sticking it out.

I like your thougths with some exception.
If a vote kick counts the time you are offline, and after a set time of offline the kick will give you a time penality.this can lower the force DCs, but the AFKs will rise. For the AFKs why don't treat them in the way of PvP, you do no movement or "actions" in a set time you will be handled like i said about vote kicks.
And for the penality itself, it should only work on being online, so you don't can relog after you might be kicked and just que for the next roulette try.
And i don't want to penalize the common people, just the extreme ones, but sometimes you must take some "collateral damage" to get your goals.