Disturbing trend with tanks

[ShadowYomi]

Seems you will end up shooting yourself in the foot more than the high level people who leave. They will probably either find something else to grind, run only with people they know, or not run at all.

[Sirweed]

Let's the PURGE begin !

[Seraph]

Any increased penalty to leaving would just make people abuse afk or forced d/c to get kicked to get out of the group instead anyway. Personally I'm in favor of anyone who bails on a group within the first 15 minutes loses the roulette bonus for that day. Any group that still struggles after that point is most likely going to vote abandon anyway or they would have made it far enough that taking an additional 30 minute penalty would take longer than sticking it out.

[Legion88]

Any increased penalty to leaving would just make people abuse afk or forced d/c to get kicked to get out of the group instead anyway. Personally I'm in favor of anyone who bails on a group within the first 15 minutes loses the roulette bonus for that day. Any group that still struggles after that point is most likely going to vote abandon anyway or they would have made it far enough that taking an additional 30 minute penalty would take longer than sticking it out.

I like your thougths with some exception.
If a vote kick counts the time you are offline, and after a set time of offline the kick will give you a time penality.this can lower the force DCs, but the AFKs will rise. For the AFKs why don't treat them in the way of PvP, you do no movement or "actions" in a set time you will be handled like i said about vote kicks.
And for the penality itself, it should only work on being online, so you don't can relog after you might be kicked and just que for the next roulette try.
And i don't want to penalize the common people, just the extreme ones, but sometimes you must take some "collateral damage" to get your goals.

[Morvik358]

Don't mind putting my reasoning out there for doing this last night. From the start it was no communication on my part, but it is how it is.

FC mates had this happen to them, so I que'd for an In Progress with Fractal. Instead of seeing my FC mates, I saw three strangers and it was a fresh start. At the time I was eating, having just got home from ten hours of work. Was wanting to enjoy my hot food but knowing people would want to start rolling, I just grabbed the first two mobs to tank them separate from the usual second set that is pulled from the start. This wasn't good enough and someone pulled the second set anyway.

I had no intention of doing any dungeon roulettes for the rest of the night, as I only have about three hours to play on a weeknight. There wasn't anyway for me to try to get back into Fractal with my FC Mates and I'm not really one to cry to be kicked. Either leave or suck it up and keep going. And after dealing with co-workers during the holiday season I have zero patience with others. Just how it goes.

So I left.

While this is a game with other people, the players leaving are people too. They have their own lives that don't revolve around the three or more pixelated avatars that are running around on the screen. And in some cases what is happening to cause them to leave are frankly no one else's business.

The holiday season in general is a stressful time, and if what someone is going to do is or simply perceived will cause them additional stress it's easier to just take the penalty with a time to cool off.

There is plenty to do in this game, and plenty of other games out there, that pretty much allow you to shrug off a 'penalty' in one small aspect of a game over your personal sanity.

[Laerune]

Its a common thing when people do roulette and they get the long dungeons. The leavers want to do the dungeon so they get their daily token and get it over with. I have had times when I just want to do it fast and get it over with, but I have never left a group, because of it. Afcourse there is always the expection that someone realy has to go away, because of real life. I remember joining The Aery as a healer and right before the tank started to pull the first mob, my sister send a message via Whatsapp that she needs me to pick her, because of a issue. I quit the group and while someone could see it as rude, I had to decide which one is more important, my sister or the strangers that I am playing with online. I reckon majority of us will pick real life over ingame life.

This is sadly a behavior that will not go away, unless they make it so longer dungeons gives more tokens or trash drop items of value (more token, mounts, special glamour items etc.) otherwise, this will keep continuing.

[KaitlanKela]

I totally had this happen yesterday! I was so confused, but maybe you all could shed some light into this for me:

A friend and I were running Haukke on our second classes (Him - Pugilist, Me - Conjurer: Both lvl 28). A first-timer level 30 pugilist rouletted in, as well a very high-level nice-geared warrior. Everyone says hi, run is going smoothly, no wipes. WAR is marking targets, pulling reasonable amounts, keeping aggro. The pair of PUG take down pretty much everything in a timely manner. As for me: No deaths, definitely no wipes, putting out DPS after the first mob in pack goes down. Pug uses limit on the first boss, tank and I are coordinating our cooldowns, etc. Basically it was the fastest, easiest, leveling DF run you could hope to get into. We were to the second boss in about fifteen minutes or so.

Then, before the pull, the tank says he's going afk to get a glass of water 'real quick'. We all say, okay no problem. Then he immediately goes offline. Not even like a spotty DC type thing, it was obviously deliberate. We're all like, okay, normally you don't go offline for a glass of water. We wait about 15 minutes (which is the same amount of time we've been in the dungeon so far). We (very sadly) vote kick - he was a really great DF tank. Replenish ranks, nothing for another fifteen minutes. We pull the second boss(es) just to see. At about 50% we wipe. Vote abandon. Most disappointing experience ever, mainly because before the tank left it was going AWESOME.

So, I'm trying to think why this happened. Honestly, if he hadn't told us he was going AFK and then gone offline I would have assumed it was an accident. But I'm just really confused as to why someone would play through more than half of a super smooth run (with DF + 1st run exp rewards) then lie to us, then go offline and force us to vote kick you? Was he just trolling us? I just can't figure it out. And I felt so bad for the PUG that was running it first time. If you're reading this: I'm sorry it turned out that way!!

[Jamillion]

I got AV in my leveling roulette 5 times in a week,didn't leave once. I hate that dungeon with a passion but I can tank it like a pro now lol

[xvshanevx]

I've had this happen a couple of times and I don't understand why. I mean, there really arent any dungeons in this game that seem overwhelming difficult. And if you have a half decent healer and tank, then dungeons like DD and AV are a joke. But, ya, no idea why anyone qued for roulette leveling would abandon... probably looking for that fabled "just came in on the final boss" situation.

[Almalexia]

This has been a common occurrence since roulettes were added.

It's more efficient to leave a dungeon that will take 30-40m with a new or unsynced player, eat the 30m penalty while doing something else and then insta-queue when the penalty expires. A year ago, there was no such penalty. This led to dozens of revolving-door tanks fishing for easy dungeons/trials - especially in low roulette.

Even after the penalty was added, you still have tanks doing things the old-fashioned way, but there's also a new strain of wankers who will fake d/c or stubbornly afk until you votekick them in order to avoid the penalty. You can't dismiss at the start of the duty, so you either wait for enough time to elapse or leave the duty and suffer the penalty yourself.

I've devised what I believe to be a comprehensive solution to this problem:

1) Queue as a tank for low roulette

Please share any feedback you may have.