Disturbing trend with tanks

[AskaRay]

They could always add the day long penalty after abandoning specifically a roulette too many times too quickly.

Like say you get a roulette and you abandon it within the first five minutes, or ten, then it's added to the "roulette abandon" count. Too many of that and you're locked out of the DF for the day.

[Archaell]

They could always add the day long penalty after abandoning specifically a roulette too many times too quickly.

Like say you get a roulette and you abandon it within the first five minutes, or ten, then it's added to the "roulette abandon" count. Too many of that and you're locked out of the DF for the day.

And then we would have players demanding being kicked, while the good ones would be held prisoners inside the duties. There are many reasons why would you want to leave, starting with bad attitude, inconsiderate semi-afk/undergeared players and ending with bots.

Maybe it would be better if less popular instances and in progress instances provided better rewards.

[Saevel]

And then we would have players demanding being kicked, while the good ones would be held prisoners inside the duties. There are many reasons why would you want to leave, starting with bad attitude, inconsiderate semi-afk/undergeared players and ending with bots.

Maybe it would be better if less popular instances and in progress instances provided better rewards.

You're right, there are a few good reasons for abandoning your duty, but getting placed in a less popular or rewarding dungeon is not one of them. If you ask the DF to randomly select an instance for you knowing you'll get a scaled reward and bonus, you should take what you get, whether it's Aurum Vale or Ifrit normal.

Perhaps, rather than an increased time penalty for abandoning a roulette, you should lose your roulette reward for the day.

[Staris]

You're right, there are a few good reasons for abandoning your duty, but getting placed in a less popular or rewarding dungeon is not one of them. If you ask the DF to randomly select an instance for you knowing you'll get a scaled reward and bonus, you should take what you get, whether it's Aurum Vale or Ifrit normal.

Perhaps, rather than an increased time penalty for abandoning a roulette, you should lose your roulette reward for the day.

Or leave it alone and encourage people to make friends and play with them?
Because you know its an MMORPG and not a call of duty matchmaking game.

[Saevel]

Or leave it alone and encourage people to make friends and play with them?
Because you know its an MMORPG and not a call of duty matchmaking game.

To be clear, I'm not advocating changing the system. I'm suggested to those that do that a time-based penalty would not have an increased positive effect. Especially considering that people in this thread alone have already suggested treating the lockout more like a cooldown than a penalty.

And if we're talking about the duty finder (and more specifically roulettes), suggesting that people make friends and go about their play that way is not rightly the point. Sure, a player should make friends in the game, but you are unfairly blaming the ones that queue solo for this specific outcome. Notwithstanding the fact the some of the roulettes require you to be solo.

[Leigaon]

Did something happen this last week that's causing this or something? Patch draw back players who aren't willing to play dungeons they don't like? I don't think it's the dungeons as I'm seeing this trend all the way from Sastasha up to Stone Vigil

Nope..it's a trend but there's two sides to it..like everything else.

Some people want to be done with something as fast as possible, go go go go go. If they are not happy with a dungeon because it has a history of being longer they will leave. They want the tomes asap and don't want to do much to get them. To me these are people who just have played too much, they get very short and demand that things are done to their perfection. Some people literally want to choose a class, talk to a NPC who takes them right to 60 and let them go into End game.

On the other hand, there are dungeons mixed with the new band of players who refuse to perform simple tasks such as upgrading your gear, using flash, not switching out of their class to their jobs (I've had a few people 40+ who did not want to be their job rather stayed their class.) This mixed with users who refuse to listen, get mad and upset make some runs impossible. If some people come in and see the users are not level synced, or the Hey..someone is new here! message, they bail because of what has happened to them in the past. This makes something like managing poison in AV a nightmare.

I was in there as DRK once and the WHM had all VIT gear, well what was filled in. I've had DPS who had maybe one or two items past lv40 the rest was lv1 - 30, and we couldn't take care of the boss. This even frustrated me, and telling them "It's your gear" just to have them respond "No I've been doing fine.." I can understand how some people will just flat out avoid it.

Like anything else, there's a common ground. That's where people refuse to meet. If I had to guess though I think most of them go into a run and say "Nope this will be 10 minutes too long..my time is way to precious for this."

Or leave it alone and encourage people to make friends and play with them?
Because you know its an MMORPG and not a call of duty matchmaking game.

That works too, I haven't checked though can you do all the roulettes with a friend or two? I think I remember you could only do expert but not leveling. This was about 6 months ago so my memory is fuzzy that's when my last few RL friends were on the same server as I am..now it's just me.

[Shalan]

the penalty should be it charges them for the month again then uninstalls itself! yeah cause thats helpful. I have been working on tanking a lot recently and I get dungeons I don't like and run through fine, I been grinding Aurum Vale on my dps and tanks never leave, maybe not try to speak for what should be done, its just people not just tanks. Sorry but I am tired of people complaining about certain types of job doing it, its anyone, we can multi class so what to help the problem? be a tank more often.

First off, that's quite the jump in logic from what the person was saying and your counter for increasing penalties for constantly bailing out on groups. Maybe have the penalty go up another 15 minutes for each consecutive leave within a certain amount of time has passed (I.E. players leaving before or right after the spawn gate drops). And if I could change the title I would, but when I made this thread I hadn't experienced this problem with anyone other than tanks (and still haven't) nor was I certain if people were having the same trouble with other roles.

And multi-classing doesn't help at all if we're trying to level a class and are constantly having a crucial party member jump ship before we even get rolling. Pretty sure you can't swap to that role in the dungeon and if you could it wouldn't help you level the class you want to level.
I've already leveled up a healer to 60/51 and tank to 50, I want to play some DPS too. My queues are already long enough as DPS, they shouldn't be potentially doubled because people are dropping before we even hit the first set of mobs on a consistent basis.

How do we even know if the OP actually had a tank leave in the beginning because of the dungeon. Maybe she ran it multiple times and was bad and got the tank both times and decided "nope."

How about this, to satisfy you I'll start taking screenshots of it happening next time I get the chance to play. May be a while though, midterms are this week. So far no one's complained about me doing bad DPS and i haven't been ripping aggro off the tank or anything so from my point of view it isn't me. Won't say I'm the perfect player, always room for improvement, but I don't think it's me.

Overall though I still can't get why people are jumping ship so much, I feel like it would be faster just to run the dungeon and get it over with than eat a 30 min penalty and then have to run a dungeon when you re-queue.

[Yunona]

snip.

I will say this, if you have issues, you can join my server and I will tank for you. I think it will be easier cause I don't leave dungeons, ever. Its not my nature. Also my response to the other was because of the 24 hour ban. Yeah that sounds reasonable. Your idea of 15 mins plus each time is good, but 24 hours. I was not gonna sit by and let them say anything. I am very hot headed, but I am passionate about stuff too.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I've had dungeons that I left as a tank though not right at the start. I know I bailed on a few roulette queues awhile back on the vault because of party wipes on the last trash mob pull because the DPS I got matched with output less damage than I do as a DRK. TBH the thought process at that point was go watch a 30 minute TV show and come back rather than spend 60 minutes being annoyed by other people.

Especially that one time where it was a blm and brd and the brd said I needed to slow down because our AoE dps sucked...

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'll reiterate my point on the matter and add a small modification to my stance. I believe a higher punishment is needed and so do many others. How ever, I have IRL issues like everyone else so I too will agree a blanket draconian punishment is over reaching.

And Yunona, you comment was completly asinine so be constrictive or stay silent like an adult.

Any way, perhapse a better way to increes the penalty would be for consecutive abandons in a similar manner to the withdraw penalty and every consecutive abandon adds 10-15 minutes capping out at, say, 2 hrs? That would be an increase that would still be reasonable.