Disturbing trend with tanks

[Heliantheae]

I'm doing most of the roulettes as DRK since I'm leveling it up.

I have seen 5+ healers doing exactly what you describe in the last few days.

Was about the comment this. It's not just tanks, almost all of my AST leveling roulettes the past week as been a join in progress. First time it was TamTara and didn't really pay attention because hey, everyone's done TamTara a bazillion times. But it's happened in Stone Vigil, Halitali, Brayflox, and Satasha. Again with Satasha it's understandable because its another that's been done a bazillion times. But this one the party was all sprouts, so good job other healer. Way to paint the community in a good light.

[Yunona]

Snip.

So if you meant the OP then okay, if you meant me about the other healer and the community, I guess even with my response to the DRG I refuse to take how many people try to blame everyone else. How do we even know if the OP actually had a tank leave in the beginning because of the dungeon. Maybe she ran it multiple times and was bad and got the tank both times and decided "nope."

[Shalan]

the penalty should be it charges them for the month again then uninstalls itself! yeah cause thats helpful. I have been working on tanking a lot recently and I get dungeons I don't like and run through fine, I been grinding Aurum Vale on my dps and tanks never leave, maybe not try to speak for what should be done, its just people not just tanks. Sorry but I am tired of people complaining about certain types of job doing it, its anyone, we can multi class so what to help the problem? be a tank more often.

First off, that's quite the jump in logic from what the person was saying and your counter for increasing penalties for constantly bailing out on groups. Maybe have the penalty go up another 15 minutes for each consecutive leave within a certain amount of time has passed (I.E. players leaving before or right after the spawn gate drops). And if I could change the title I would, but when I made this thread I hadn't experienced this problem with anyone other than tanks (and still haven't) nor was I certain if people were having the same trouble with other roles.

And multi-classing doesn't help at all if we're trying to level a class and are constantly having a crucial party member jump ship before we even get rolling. Pretty sure you can't swap to that role in the dungeon and if you could it wouldn't help you level the class you want to level.
I've already leveled up a healer to 60/51 and tank to 50, I want to play some DPS too. My queues are already long enough as DPS, they shouldn't be potentially doubled because people are dropping before we even hit the first set of mobs on a consistent basis.

How do we even know if the OP actually had a tank leave in the beginning because of the dungeon. Maybe she ran it multiple times and was bad and got the tank both times and decided "nope."

How about this, to satisfy you I'll start taking screenshots of it happening next time I get the chance to play. May be a while though, midterms are this week. So far no one's complained about me doing bad DPS and i haven't been ripping aggro off the tank or anything so from my point of view it isn't me. Won't say I'm the perfect player, always room for improvement, but I don't think it's me.

Overall though I still can't get why people are jumping ship so much, I feel like it would be faster just to run the dungeon and get it over with than eat a 30 min penalty and then have to run a dungeon when you re-queue.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I've had dungeons that I left as a tank though not right at the start. I know I bailed on a few roulette queues awhile back on the vault because of party wipes on the last trash mob pull because the DPS I got matched with output less damage than I do as a DRK. TBH the thought process at that point was go watch a 30 minute TV show and come back rather than spend 60 minutes being annoyed by other people.

Especially that one time where it was a blm and brd and the brd said I needed to slow down because our AoE dps sucked...

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'll reiterate my point on the matter and add a small modification to my stance. I believe a higher punishment is needed and so do many others. How ever, I have IRL issues like everyone else so I too will agree a blanket draconian punishment is over reaching.

And Yunona, you comment was completly asinine so be constrictive or stay silent like an adult.

Any way, perhapse a better way to increes the penalty would be for consecutive abandons in a similar manner to the withdraw penalty and every consecutive abandon adds 10-15 minutes capping out at, say, 2 hrs? That would be an increase that would still be reasonable.

[Twilite]

What's more alarming is when this happens even if the group is very good.

[Kohta]

1st to 3rd offence - Vote Kick: Offline (Character must actually be offline xx (5~ Minutes?) amount of time) = 15 minute of ONLINE* Duty Finder lockout
4th offence - Vote Kick: Offline = 3 hour ONLINE* Duty Finder lockout and a irremovable Title during the duration called [INADEQUATE] [HOPELESS] or [QUITTER].
5th Offence - Vote Kick: Offline = 5 Days Duty Finder lockout with title, because you've let enough people down by that point that they never needed you anyway.
^ Resets daily if no other offence is given in 24 hours.

*Must be online for countdown to warrant

These conditions are not harsh to people who do not practice this behavior.

[Legion88]

1st to 3rd offence - Vote Kick: Offline (Character must actually be offline xx (5~ Minutes?) amount of time) = 15 minute of ONLINE* Duty Finder lockout
4th offence - Vote Kick: Offline = 3 hour ONLINE* Duty Finder lockout and a irremovable Title during the duration called [INADEQUATE] [HOPELESS] or [QUITTER].
5th Offence - Vote Kick: Offline = 5 Days Duty Finder lockout with title, because you've let enough people down by that point that they never needed you anyway.
^ Resets daily if no other offence is given in 24 hours.

*Must be online for countdown to warrant

These conditions are not harsh to people who do not practice this behavior.

I disagree with Offline for 5 min, should be 15 min. If you are playing over mobile internet it can take a while until you get it working again.
And the titles are a bit harsch, maybe use an unchangeable icon like the sprout ore afk icon.
For the lockout, it is good stacking up but the end stage is a bit to harsh. And it is unfair to people with an unstable internet connection sometimes.

[Kohta]

I disagree with Offline for 5 min, should be 15 min. If you are playing over mobile internet it can take a while until you get it working again.
And the titles are a bit harsch, maybe use an unchangeable icon like the sprout ore afk icon.
For the lockout, it is good stacking up but the end stage is a bit to harsh. And it is unfair to people with an unstable internet connection sometimes.

I run DF a lot and I hardly see anyone disconnect, if they do, they are usually back within 10 minutes, most of the time less. If someone bailed 5 times in 24 hours even at 15 minutes; It's not coincidental at that point. You have to consider both sides, you made 3+ people stand in one spot for 1/2 of the entire dungeons duration, that isn't very fair to them and then they have to wait even longer to find a new person. if you have done this more than 3 times in 24 hours, absolutely.

[Legion88]

I run DF a lot and I hardly see anyone disconnect, if they do, they are usually back within 10 minutes, most of the time less. If someone bailed 5 times in 24 hours even at 15 minutes; It's not coincidental at that point. You have to consider both sides, you made 3+ people stand in one spot for 1/2 of the entire dungeons duration, that isn't very fair to them and then they have to wait even longer to find a new person. if you have done this more than 3 times in 24 hours, absolutely.

I see your point and i understand it. But there is one more point, the roulette. Most people will bail out in roulettes if they get a dungeon they don't want to run in my opinion. So in would advance the penality on 4th offence to loose the roulette bonus for this roulette and for 5th offence to loose alle roulette bonuses for this day. So they take the random dungeon they queued for or loosing the bonus like you earn what you deserve.

I'm looking forward for the discussion.