Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WingsOfNth]

Of course I can't show you a man in a lab coat saying THIS WILL HAPPEN! But you can see it with your own eye what happens to communities that are allowed to shut out entire groups of players. I always hate bringing up WoW but it's really prevalent there and it's also pretty bad in Ever Quest and Guild Wars if I had to name a few. Just because someone sounds good does not mean it's good. Can you honestly name a single name that lets you filter out entire chucks of the community that is not full of teeming full of toxic players? You'd be hard pressed to. If you want to be able to filter everything in a group down to the smallest detail, then play with friends.

PS: I'm arguing against the idea because it's toxic in nature. Yoshi P has already said those filters will never be a thing. =P So that's a weight off my mind.

[Azazua_azura]

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Not to sound mean, but..... you have no idea what you are talking about do you. I don't recall WoW having a party finder system, or have options to block players out of content. Not one person is blockong anyone from anything. You you just read the title, or have absolutely no idea what the thread is/has been about.

First offb DF and PF are not the same nor remotely the same.

DF- set up to be all inclusive for player to play the game and get content done.

PF- a system for players to form and join groups for like minded reasons. Joining a farm party to farm, joining a learning party to learn, joining a clear party to clear.


It was suppose to be exclusionary. It has been stated many times that having this option doesn't change anything. People who haven't cleared the content are not welcomed in farm parties anyway, this option just enforces it.

Try seeing it less toxic/elitist and more open minded, (way you come off you just read the title and nothing else)

player A forms a farm party- the comment states you need clears.
player b joins looking to clear but says nothing or gives generic replies to stay
players cdefg join and have clears.
Party goes in and "new to duty pops up" there is a shi fesat over who lied, leader forces the group to leave and questions everyone. Player b doesn't communicate it was him. and leader disbands the party.

Player b doesn't get his clear while the rest question each other who lied and start just blisting everyone.

This option prevent that from happening.

It is also harrassment to break player agreements. If a party leader sets up rules for their group, as a player you agree to those rules by joining, which fall under the player agreement part of the ToS. So it is reportable.

Anbd player b could be reported on "disruption of game" due to preventing the players from farming in that group due to player b joining under a lie.

I actually have talk to a gm about this, because I had an incident on the tonberry server where i met the rare troll group jp have. I was in a df party lvling my sch, the blm started to pull making it harder for me to keep the group alive. I politely asked to stop, which the blm started to leroy jenkins in dungeon. The group refused to vote kick him out and group abandon so i was forced to leave, taking a 30 min penalty. GM told me it was considered disruption of gameplay. Pretty much preventing players from doing content as agree'ed upon causing it to stop is considered that because it is preventinbg the people from doing the content the way they set it up.

[Ashkendor]

I understand it's frustrating but an option to block him does not solve the problem. Then you have the farmers waiting longer for the farm and you have the noob still sitting there with no clear. At least when the noob getting out of the way maybe now he'll come back for a farm to get the loot he needs.

A quote comes to mind when I think about this debate. "The rich get richer and the poor stay poor"

When it comes to farming, I'd sooner wait a bit longer to get someone that knows the fight than deal with someone that doesn't. Like I said, I love teaching people things but there are appropriate times and places to do it. Me teaching someone should be by my own choice; I don't feel that I should be basically forced to do it by someone that chose to completely disregard what my party is all about. The only way the poor stay poor in this case is if they don't take the initiative to learn the content.

PS: I'm arguing against the idea because it's toxic in nature. Yoshi P has already said those filters will never be a thing. =P So that's a weight off my mind.

Arguably, people that disregard a Party Finder description simply because they want a clear are pretty toxic themselves.

I'd like to see a link to that quote from Yoshi P.

Even with out oing into detail on the OP's views on the subject expressed in all her views. You do know the title is "Block first timers from the partyfinder" You're clearly the one who is a little lost on the nature of her idea.

She also explained what she meant by that in the first post. We're not looking to completely block people from PF, because then how would we make learning or clear parties? We're looking to prevent without clears from joining parties that want people with clears.

[WingsOfNth]

I'd like to see a link to that quote from Yoshi P.

You can go to the live letters and watch them. I'm unaware of any transcripts of the live letters. A lot of the more recent ones have had live English support. All transcripts I've found are of documents written in Japanese such as patch notes.

The only way the poor stay poor in this case is if they don't take the initiative to learn the content.

It's not that simple. You can go back to read over my posts for the answer. I've already disregarded a habit I have about repeating information in som of my recent posts. I've nothing to hide. These posts will be up as long as the forum stays up.

Arguably, people that disregard a Party Finder description simply because they want a clear are pretty toxic themselves.

I'm not denying that there are some scummy assholes out there. But you're right it is arguable. It's not so cut and dry as you have a single right answer. It's a community problem.

[Ercapote]

SNIP.

and once again in this loop over and over again...

please explain to me how this is toxic in any way, shape or form?

please think thoughtfully your answer because if you tell me it will hurt new players I will stop taking you serious once and for all.

let me explain you why...

1. it's an option.
2. it's a function on PARTY FINDER (which) is an optional way to make a party.
3. It's a option meant for a "experienced players" party, meaning no (new players.)
4. It doesn't block contact/interaction with the party leader as you can still talk to them and send them a tell.
5. New players SHOULD NOT join these parties because they aren't supposed to.
6. New players can still ask for help.
7. New players can still join LEARNING/CLEAR parties that are meant to learn or go for the clear.
8. New players can freely crack up a guide and learn (like anyone else) (This guides are made by those experienced players who beat the fight and help the community by explaining them step by step how they work, this guides are made by their own experience and knowledge).
9. only affected players by this feature are BAD/TOXIC/INCONSIDERABLE people who only care about their own win and probably won't touch the fight again.

so please answer correctly because I'm tire of the loop and non-sense. HOW IS THIS FUNCTION TOXIC IN ANY WAY,SHAPE OR FORM?



PS: I honestly think "Azazua_azura" is right, looking at your post now, I do say you only read the title of the Threat and Misinterpreted the Idea of OP.

and this is me trying to make some sense on your attitude and replies to not make a fool of yourself "completely" or "more", but I THINK you THINK this function is to block new players for the USE of party finder. IT'S NOT. It's an option within the PT FINDER only when you are creating YOUR OWN PARTY so new player cannot join YOUR SPECIFIC PT allow farm pt to consist only of experience players and FARM.

new players are still able to use PT FINDER, no one is block from that privilege.

I hope that puts some light on your way because you are seriously lost.

[Ercapote]

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[Luvbunny]

SNIPPED, great list by the way

Totally agree with this, OPTIONS are great. Not having to deal with "ninja" newbies lying through their keyboard and messing up your run is godsend. There are other party for them if they want to learn. You should be able to create exclusive party for people that play at your level. If you are not good enough, then go make a training party and get good, yes? Otherwise don't bother wasting other people time. If you are not hardcore, there is nothing wrong with that, plenty of things to do in this game. But Hardcore players should be able to completely block those who are not at the same level as them, who end up wasting the entire group time and effort. This is not a charity game...

[Paladinleeds]

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Ya know, I'm thinking now that if people are caught lying through their keyboard about their progress SE should respond by permanently banning their account w/o appeal. Might help stem the tide. Brutal yes, but it would help contain a lot of this crap and maybe help them create a more JP-like community.

[Azazua_azura]

Ya know, I'm thinking now that if people are caught lying through their keyboard about their progress SE should respond by permanently banning their account w/o appeal. Might help stem the tide. Brutal yes, but it would help contain a lot of this crap and maybe help them create a more JP-like community.

-_-;; and it people like you who make people Like Winterluna look bad.

Doing more harm then good here.

[Paladinleeds]

-_-;; and it people like you who make people Like Winterluna look bad.

Doing more harm then good here.

Here's the thing, I'm not sure there's any other solution but that. I'm fortunately one of the honest ones that won't join a clear group unless I have full XP (but are yet to kill it), and won't join a farm group unless I have kill XP (possibly even multikill XP). But the fact is the majority of players don't do that and lie until they're blue in the face. This same sort of stuff happens on League of Legends (as well as all the raging after 1 mistake, etc) and look how toxic the community is on that game. That's why I GENUINELY believe that permabanning w/o appeal would help stem the tide as then people will learn to get a better attitude. Would I get banned if they did that? Most likely, I have certain things that set me off. But if I did get banned in the name of improving the community so be it. I'll live and learn.