JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[zosia]

part of the mmo experience is infact teaching others, research only goes so far and parses have been knwn to be inaccurate. All in all we need lewss people like you, as its because people like you ruined the mmo community, and reason i play on tonberry.

and for your advice to "git gud" my advice is to grow up.

Kedo seems grown up to me. Seems you just don't like the taste of truth. Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company? Things don't work that way in the adult world. People attain a job by being trained, informed, having an education, and having connections. What you want is equivocal to a happy time day care 'sharing is caring' hug fest hour. Grow out of your idealistic naive mind frame where any person, in-game or irl, is entitled to another being's time and energy.

[Fevelle]

The biggest issue is that this game was not created for experienced MMO players to begin with...

Girl, you're playing the wrong game then. Story was always easier at FF games, so everyone could experience it, with optional endgame superbosses as a bonus to more skilled players: this is the FF formula and it's not changing anytime soon - and the fact this a MMORPG means nothing to it, since the Final Fantasy name is way stronger than a gaming standard.

The biggest issue in this game, in all honesty, are non-FF fans/players trying to change it into something raid-focused rather than a real FF game. Maybe because the game these people played has fallen apart, maybe because they can't accept this is not supposed to be a hardcore game at all (hence tomes you can cap with less than 1-hour/day playtime that gives you nearly-top equips etc).

Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company?

They are called trainees. Every respected company in my country has THOUSANDS of them, and most end up in high level occupations inside the same company that trained them.

[SakuraMidori]

A lot of people just don't care / are lazy / think their special / etc to go through the work before wasting other people's time.

Or players like you who call it work think everything is a wast of your time read what you say

go through the work

lol your not at a job none of this is work it's a game and what players do is all choice but never work thinking anything is work means your not having fun

[Monty]

Kedo seems grown up to me. Seems you just don't like the taste of truth. Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company? Things don't work that way in the adult world. People attain a job by being trained, informed, having an education, and having connections. What you want is equivocal to a happy time day care 'sharing is caring' hug fest hour. Grow out of your idealistic naive mind frame where any person, in-game or irl, is entitled to another being's time and energy.

That's the other issue, people comparing a video game to sit back and have fun vs getting a job in the real world. I hate to break this to you, a ton of people in the "real" world get jobs and employment while being severely unqualified. Happens all the time. Some make good with it and actually get good at the job with a bit of ....you got it, help!

[IndigoHawk]

So you are basically saying "I'm rude and unpleasant and see the whole world through a meaningless and ignorant liberal \ conservative lens, then stare blankly wondering why groups fail so quickly with people like me and my bad attitude in them."

Has the "git gud" attitude ever helped complete content? It's basically useless. Either group with people at your skill level or have a positive and helpful attitude with the people you get. If you feel like saying "git gud", then actually you're the problem because you picked the wrong group.

[zosia]

Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company?

They are called trainees. Every respected company in my country has THOUSANDS of them, and most end up in high level occupations inside the same company that trained them.

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.

Or players like you who call it work think everything is a wast of your time read what you say lol your not at a job none of this is work it's a game and what players do is all choice but never work thinking anything is work means your not having fun

I did not call the game a job, it was a comparison. Try again.

That's the other issue, people comparing a video game to sit back and have fun vs getting a job in the real world. I hate to break this to you, a ton of people in the "real" world get jobs and employment while being severely unqualified. Happens all the time. Some make good with it and actually get good at the job with a bit of ....you got it, help!

With that point you are making, the co-worker picking up the slack is also being paid to maintain their position/department.

It does not impact me if I help an unskilled player. I would never bring them into my static, I want an extremely high caliber of player for that. There is literally nothing to gain other than a sense of satisfaction. Again, it's not our responsibility, It's SE's to foster this community. This was not such a huge issue in ARR, what did they change? what did they do differently?

[Critical-Limit]

NA community just had too many polar opposite mindset and egos on both ends.

You either can't get your feelings hurt and just accept another person has good advice for self improvement but you close your ears because pretending you're right in your brain makes you feel better. Or you've clear and do things so often you forget what it's like to be in a situation where you're the only new person and you need some time to feel the mechanics so you see everyone who isn't on your level already as bad players so you instant leave without waiting to see if they will accept advice and improve.

[Fevelle]

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.

You get them at 16-21 years old along with highschool studies. So yes, entry-level workers. Also, if you don't help someone from the beginning, you can't expect him to 'git gud' at anything. So when you get paired with someone bad at DF, suck it up and at least play with them, since you don't want to help.

[SakuraMidori]

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.



I did not call the game a job, it was a comparison. Try again.

I don't need to try again you don't need to use a job as a comparison they are nothing in the same one is about making cash in real life to eat and live one is sitting on your ass to have fun lol

[Krokov]

People imo only care about other play style because it affects their own personal game progression, in other words they don't give a rats behind how the person progress as long as it doesn't affect them and if it does then they offer advice and so on. Granted this doesn't apply to everyone but for alot of the endgamers I wouldn't be surprised.