JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Fevelle]

The biggest issue is that this game was not created for experienced MMO players to begin with...

Girl, you're playing the wrong game then. Story was always easier at FF games, so everyone could experience it, with optional endgame superbosses as a bonus to more skilled players: this is the FF formula and it's not changing anytime soon - and the fact this a MMORPG means nothing to it, since the Final Fantasy name is way stronger than a gaming standard.

The biggest issue in this game, in all honesty, are non-FF fans/players trying to change it into something raid-focused rather than a real FF game. Maybe because the game these people played has fallen apart, maybe because they can't accept this is not supposed to be a hardcore game at all (hence tomes you can cap with less than 1-hour/day playtime that gives you nearly-top equips etc).

Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company?

They are called trainees. Every respected company in my country has THOUSANDS of them, and most end up in high level occupations inside the same company that trained them.

[zosia]

Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company?

They are called trainees. Every respected company in my country has THOUSANDS of them, and most end up in high level occupations inside the same company that trained them.

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.

Or players like you who call it work think everything is a wast of your time read what you say lol your not at a job none of this is work it's a game and what players do is all choice but never work thinking anything is work means your not having fun

I did not call the game a job, it was a comparison. Try again.

That's the other issue, people comparing a video game to sit back and have fun vs getting a job in the real world. I hate to break this to you, a ton of people in the "real" world get jobs and employment while being severely unqualified. Happens all the time. Some make good with it and actually get good at the job with a bit of ....you got it, help!

With that point you are making, the co-worker picking up the slack is also being paid to maintain their position/department.

It does not impact me if I help an unskilled player. I would never bring them into my static, I want an extremely high caliber of player for that. There is literally nothing to gain other than a sense of satisfaction. Again, it's not our responsibility, It's SE's to foster this community. This was not such a huge issue in ARR, what did they change? what did they do differently?

[Fevelle]

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.

You get them at 16-21 years old along with highschool studies. So yes, entry-level workers. Also, if you don't help someone from the beginning, you can't expect him to 'git gud' at anything. So when you get paired with someone bad at DF, suck it up and at least play with them, since you don't want to help.

[SakuraMidori]

You can get those jobs as an entry level worker? Nope. You need training before hand in the form of internships, apprenticeships, college education for those recruiters to even take a slight interest in you.



I did not call the game a job, it was a comparison. Try again.

I don't need to try again you don't need to use a job as a comparison they are nothing in the same one is about making cash in real life to eat and live one is sitting on your ass to have fun lol

[zosia]

I don't need to try again you don't need to use a job as a comparison they are nothing in the same one is about making cash in real life to eat and live one is sitting on your ass to have fun lol

It has everything to do with the context to which I replied.

Someone wanted to drag "grow up" into this thread because there are individuals who see people valuing their time and energy as immature.

You are taking my comparison out of context to make this argument of video games vs a irl job. My comparison was about growing up and irl vs in-game mentalities. If you want to argue about these mentalities I was eluding to, fine. If you want to keep on with this out of context point in a sorry attempt at "got cha," knock yourself out. Either way, I don't care, at all.

[Malevicton]

I don't need to try again you don't need to use a job as a comparison they are nothing in the same one is about making cash in real life to eat and live one is sitting on your ass to have fun lol

So where's the fun in wiping endlessly and dragging 7 others along with you? We aren't talking about dungeons here, this thread is about pugging savage. Using "fun" to defend intentionally bad play is one of the many problems NA has.

I'm not even gonna link the meme this time. I'm tired of linking that meme. I'm tired of a satire of the gaming community being reality.

[SakuraMidori]

So where's the fun in wiping endlessly and dragging 7 others along with you?.

Did i ever say you need to wipe endless times? if you really wipe that many times maybe look at your own skills and not everyone's around you :P when there is a wipe its mostly because ppl have no clue NA how to act or play as a team. Plan stuff out ask how many pulls ppl want ask if everyone know what to do and if some ppl don't let them know how to do the run. And if you say that's not your job then your not a team player your the prob and if there are players not trying or doing as they are told then yes they are the prob. 90% of my runs go well because i talk i make jokes and i try to enjoy myself. So far after reading what you said you may just be part of that big problem

[Malevicton]

Did i ever say you need to wipe endless times? if you really wipe that many times maybe look at your own skills and not everyone's around you :P when there is a wipe its mostly because ppl have no clue NA how to act or play as a team. Plan stuff out ask how many pulls ppl want ask if everyone know what to do and if some ppl don't let them know how to do the run. And if you say that's not your job then your not a team player your the prob and if there are players not trying or doing as they are told then yes they are the prob. 90% of my runs go well because i talk i make jokes and i try to enjoy myself. So far after reading what you said you may just be part of that big problem

To respond to the litany of personal attacks real quick: I do fine.

To the rest of your stuff: savage actually requires competency. You need to know your rotation and the strats to be competent, which is all the person was saying until you saw the word "work" and triggered. If you don't know your rotation or the strats, then you'll wipe, and drag everyone in your group with you. Since you're still saying stuff like "how many pulls you want" you don't seem to have grasped that we're talking about savage, not dungeons.

Here was one of your previous posts that started this cascade:

lol your not at a job none of this is work it's a game and what players do is all choice but never work thinking anything is work means your not having fun

The person you replied to had just said: "A lot of people just don't care / are lazy / think their special / etc to go through the work before wasting other people's time."

Work in that context meaning effort, but then you had to go and be the personification of http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png

[SakuraMidori]

The person you replied to had just said: "A lot of people just don't care / are lazy / think their special / etc to go through the work before wasting other people's time."

Work in that context meaning effort, but then you had to go and be the personification of

Lol what ever you say i'm not going to fight with you or get into it with you all i'm saying is a game is not work and saying a lot of ppl think they are special or are lazy is flat out rude but ok

[Animarelic]

Story was always easier at FF games, so everyone could experience it, with optional endgame superbosses as a bonus to more skilled players: this is the FF formula and it's not changing anytime soon - and the fact this a MMORPG means nothing to it, since the Final Fantasy name is way stronger than a gaming standard.

The biggest issue in this game, in all honesty, are non-FF fans/players trying to change it into something raid-focused rather than a real FF game. Maybe because the game these people played has fallen apart, maybe because they can't accept this is not supposed to be a hardcore game at all.

You do realize SE actually lowers the difficulty of some of their FF Games because they didn't want to scare off players and hurt their sales for NA? I clearly stated that 2.0 was not intended for hardcore play it was even stated by the devs but, they are slowly removing the incentive to even play at all by watering down a game that is heavily reliant on activity. Also FFXI is the game that carried this company for years so your idea of what a "REAL FF" Game is, is skewed.