JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Azazua_azura]

I don't agree. It's not my job to teach anyone. You want to become a better player? Do your research, practice on dummies, have a friend parse you. Make an effort FFS!
To quote a recent South Park episode which is very relevant to these forums, at least for the whiny cry baby bads:
"You're sad people are mean? I'm sorry the world isn't one big Liberal Arts college campus..."

part of the mmo experience is infact teaching others, research only goes so far and parses have been knwn to be inaccurate. All in all we need lewss people like you, as its because people like you ruined the mmo community, and reason i play on tonberry.

and for your advice to "git gud" my advice is to grow up.

[zosia]

part of the mmo experience is infact teaching others, research only goes so far and parses have been knwn to be inaccurate. All in all we need lewss people like you, as its because people like you ruined the mmo community, and reason i play on tonberry.

and for your advice to "git gud" my advice is to grow up.

Kedo seems grown up to me. Seems you just don't like the taste of truth. Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company? Things don't work that way in the adult world. People attain a job by being trained, informed, having an education, and having connections. What you want is equivocal to a happy time day care 'sharing is caring' hug fest hour. Grow out of your idealistic naive mind frame where any person, in-game or irl, is entitled to another being's time and energy.

[Monty]

Kedo seems grown up to me. Seems you just don't like the taste of truth. Where in IRL do employers open up workshops to train unqualified individuals to work in high end positions within said company? Things don't work that way in the adult world. People attain a job by being trained, informed, having an education, and having connections. What you want is equivocal to a happy time day care 'sharing is caring' hug fest hour. Grow out of your idealistic naive mind frame where any person, in-game or irl, is entitled to another being's time and energy.

That's the other issue, people comparing a video game to sit back and have fun vs getting a job in the real world. I hate to break this to you, a ton of people in the "real" world get jobs and employment while being severely unqualified. Happens all the time. Some make good with it and actually get good at the job with a bit of ....you got it, help!

[Azazua_azura]

@ zosia
I was more refering to how they presented their comment.. and refering to "whining cry babies" but i wasn't wrong part of the mmo experience is infact teaching, it been like this Since MUD.

infact around 2004-2008 in ff11 people helped new players all the time, if they saw a new player they would welcome them and ask if they needed help, maybe give them a bit of starter gil. Infact i recall the first person i met in ff11 who helped me this was in 2004. a good 11 years ago. Things ONLY became this way with WoW and youtube.

Also, there more to job irl then corperate, and I know for a fact several types of coperate jobs to hold workshops, but alot of trade jobs do apprenticeship. Who do you think life works? someone more experienced teaches you. I wasn't disaggreing what kendo said, i just hated how they presented it which was infact immature.

[KarstenS]

All in all we need lewss people like you, as its because people like you ruined the mmo community.

Yes. People like he...

It's not my job to teach anyone. You want to become a better player? Do your research, practice on dummies, have a friend parse you. Make an effort FFS!

...are the poison that got pointed already in more than one posts before.

Not done any serious content as it was relevant, but complaining how bad the others are.

[Voltyblast]

Yes. People like he...

...are the poison that got pointed already in more than one posts before.

Not done any serious content as it was relevant, but complaining how bad the others are.

And sadly if you try to say something like this to anyone of them in the game, you're just going to be blamed instead. Why? Because "you suck". Or insert some "Git gud" jokes here, whatever.
I wish I could do more content such as Savage Alex, I really would love to do more trials or anything with others but:

1) I don't trust FC anymore: my last one disbanded, people were kicked, leader sold the FC house to someone we didn't even know and a friend from inside told me that she lost about 6m gil in decorating (she was one of the high in command). I'm glad that being on my own paid off eventually: I lost nothing and it was like nothing happened. It was as if I never entered, because I had a hunch that this was going to happen anyway. And we were going to refill our ranks for raid hahaha....ha...

2) I did the EX primals once and I'll most likely never do them again: I hated Bismarck with a passion while Ravana was actually fun and all that, I didn't manage to fully learn him to its full potential: this means that I'm never going to learn it again because people aren't patient enough to let me make mistakes and since I already done it once, why would I have to suffer through again? (If it's a learning group however, I might join in and help too: both me and the team will benefit in this case)

3) I raided FCOB before HW and it was one of the worst gaming periods of my life, mainly because there was no connection within our group: we weren't 8 friends playing together we were like 8 random people playing because we had to. I NEVER played with these people outside of raid. I don't EVEN remember their names. Suffice to say, when they disbanded the static I felt nothing from it: there was simply no connection and mistakes were punished heavily (our leader constantly had to replace people, for a reason and another)
And by the way, I was with a couple of other statics before: it was the same. The real difference was that I couldn't raid with them because I didn't clear t9. And of course nobody would help me: I had to ask help outside of the static.

I can probably tell more fun scenes that I had during my time with the "endgame community", but I just had such a big chore that I seriously don't want to bother anymore: a lot of them are, like many say, elitistic and poisonous people and nobody is willing to lend a hand, sometimes even within the FC itself! I'm glad that some people are having a lot of fun with their endgame, I wish I had the same luck as them, but I'm going to stick with my roulettes and with the new raid that they're planning.

If I get to help, I do my job and lend my hand without being involved into anything else and that's my limit from now on..

[Kedo]

Yes. People like he...



...are the poison that got pointed already in more than one posts before.

Not done any serious content as it was relevant, but complaining how bad the others are.

Cool, you checked one of my characters. Nice try.

[Azazua_azura]

@ animarelic
This is based off what I have said before about ff11 endgamre content being optional.

1) you never had to fight hnm to do endgame content, the HNM is question had a 24-72 hour times spawn rate based on the Time of death. Servers where not seperated by rgion all servers where in japan meaning they were active 24/7. This meant HNM may not spawn in your play time/prime time. This stuff was nice to have but not needed to do other endgame content.

2) Dynamis was a min level of 70, to enter you had to pay 1 million gil for an hourglass to enter. To gain access to this you had to have defeated the shadowlord, You spent up to 3 hours in there based on if your group got the time exstentions. Only 1 allience could enter at a time, you had to beat the first 3 to gain access to the final. Gear drops where random and rare, it could take a player 1 year to get a full set of armor, and 5 years to unlock relic weapon. With updates SE lower the item to be a 500K one time item. this stuff was nice to have but not needed to level or do other endgame

3) limbus- see dynamis. You had to have defeated the story which this content was introduced. again this stuff was nice to have but not needed

4) sky, needed to get through a certain part of zilart to gain acess. It was where you finished the zilart story line (see DM) and where you could find optional HNM for drops/ and pop spawn to fight 4 mini bosses for gear and pop spawn to fight the main boss kirin, which was said to be an 18 hour fight when it was first released. Again this gear was nice to have but not nessisary to play the game.

5) sea (see sky) had to go throuo the CoP story line to reach here had similar activities to dynamis.

6) Nyzul isle, 100 floor dungeon players did to fight various mobs/bosses for gear your progress was saved.

that is a good portion oendgame content ff11 had, it had more but I don't want to do a wall of text.

As i said it in my notes, all the above gear was optional and did not need it to progress your character, the game, or other content. Most content was locked out to certain groups or time frames, due to the nature of how the content was presented. The way you set up you "info" was how WoW set their game up.

What you forgot to mention, is up untill abyssea, in ff11 it took you a year to fully level up your character (even playing 8-20 hrs) due to requiring a group to progress. It also took mnths if not a year to get gear due to the rng nature of gear drops. None of the gear was needed to do merit parties which aided your character.

It was only till the launch of WoW did raiding become mainstream, this was due to the nature og WoW you could only level 1 class with your character and you solo quested your way to max level. The only content at the end was raids, which you did need to do, to do the next tier of raids.

FF11 and WoW had different sets of progression WoW being vertical, it had tiered raid gear. FF11 did not have tiered raid gear

the way you described ff11 was incorrect. I doubt you actually played considering only roughly 10-20% actually did endgame, again due to the nature and limitation of the content in question. Whwen abyssea became the main thing, that may have raised the amount to due to the ease of leveling, and the openness ol abyssea content.

[Kedo]

@Azazua_azura

I wasn't talking about gear in my first post. I was talking about player skill, which in this game a lot of players lack. I also said that it's not my responsibility to make sure that you play your class right, that is on YOU and YOU alone. I had to do it, and so did others. I won't waste your time, and I hope you won't waste mine. Be considerate to your fellow player, practice, parse, GIT GUD!
On the XI thing though, I do wish this game had more to do at cap like XI did, save for crappy drop rates, and ridiculous spawn timers. XI had solid varied content, with a nice mix of progression. I miss that for sure.

[Azazua_azura]

@Azazua_azura

I wasn't talking about gear in my first post. I was talking about player skill, which in this game a lot of players lack. I also said that it's not my responsibility to make sure that you play your class right, that is on YOU and YOU alone. I had to do it, and so did others. I won't waste your time, and I hope you won't waste mine. Be considerate to your fellow player, practice, parse, GIT GUD!
On the XI thing though, I do wish this game had more to do at cap like XI did, save for crappy drop rates, and ridiculous spawn timers. XI had solid varied content, with a nice mix of progression. I miss that for sure.

my bad wrong person lol. i was waking up and press ur quote by mistake fixed it though.