Deliverance rant

[Mendalas]

If AST dps: just stick with that defiance cause there's really no way to exploit deliverance

Between essential dignity, synastry, and lightspeed, its pretty easy as long as the warrior is competent. Especially since the cd's are fairly short on those abilities as well. It's not just with AST that a war has to use at least 1 cd when switching to deliverance (in terms of trash pulls). It's with any other healer that doesn't enjoy spamming heals until they are oom. The point of the thread was that any healer turns into a healbot with these warriors that sit in deliverance and pop no cd's to make up for it. They just take too much damage.

[Freyyy]

If sch dps: wait till you see bane going off and verify Cleric stance is off, then you can start with deliverance.

Actually if the healer is DPSing you can go Deliverance as soon as your HP bar hits 75% because your healer isn't healing you so Defiance is basically doing nothing here and will not make the healer switch back to healing later or whatever.

Edit : Just wanted to add that Defiance is better when used while the healer is healing you, it's not the other way around. Defiance is useless if you're not receiving any heal and you don't need the extra HP/don't have them anymore. It's completely different than Shield Oath/Grit, these ones actually reduce the incoming damage, so keeping it up while the healer is DPSing will actually help him staying in Cleric Stance longer.

[AniCelestine]

Actually if the healer is DPSing you can go Deliverance as soon as your HP bar hits 75% because your healer isn't healing you so Defiance is basically doing nothing here and will not make the healer switch back to healing later or whatever.

Well, I was thinking about a situation like for example 1st pull in fractal continuum where you're taking quite some dmg and thought you'd let the sch heal you up close to 80% of your hp from that 30-50% you dropped to.

But that's something you could consider with whm healing when they're casting aero III followed by holy and you get hit down somewhat around that 75% mark before stun takes effect (depends on the HoT ticks) gotta admit I hadn't thought of that.

[Nekotee]

And what do you achieve with that? If you're not gonna dps and the warrior knows how to manage it why'd you go and fuck it up intentionnaly

I fuck it up on purpose only if the warrior refuse to switch in défiance when he need to.
I will always start healing, but toy with me, force me to blow up all my CD in one pack and you're gonna end up on the ground.

A good war start in défiance and switch when he has enough aggro.

I won't compensate mistake nor lazyness for defense cooldown

[Freyyy]

A good WAR in Deliverance with CDs running barely needs any healer assistance for big trash pulls during the IRBerserk + Bloodbath window anyway.

[Aurius]

Sorry a brother warrior left that impression upon you. As many stated, that's a bad tank. I run defiance in the beginning of every trash pull, and if healer gear is lacking, I stick to it to make their lives easier. In all honesty, I've tanked entire roulette dungeons in deliverance and been told by healers they've never been able to DPS so much due to the ease of keeping me alive. If my healer can't DPS, im failing my duty. A good tank will tank above DPS every time.

[Twilite]

Maybe it's me..but I find WARs easier to heal, and just a tad bit difficult when in deliverance. Maybe I'm just lucky and been getting the good ones.

I did get a war that used Deliverance for the entire run. All I could do was laugh at the situation really.

[Drako]

Sounds like OP got a bad tank. Could of been one of those players that just aren't very good at the game in general. They probably can't handle all the extra stuff involved in stance dancing. Most of us good war's have been stance dancing sense 2.0. So Deliverance didn't really change anything for us. Except more deeps. As far as the comments on very few good warriors out there, this applies to every single job sense 3.0. They changed how each job functioned, and actually added a new level of complexity. Before 3.0 you were still lucky to find people that knew their job well enough to optimize and do the best possible. But now, lol, its much harder to find anyone that knows their job and can perform it at the max. That new level of complexity is well received for those of us that can keep up with it, it makes it more fun and engaging. But most of the player base that can't, or would rather not max because of how much concentration it takes, or simply doesn't have the capability/skill, doesn't like it. And those of us that can, that runs into those that can't get more irritated with these types as a result. The gap between the players that can max the job potential and players that can't or wont is much larger now. It's really a double edged sword.

[Rawrz]

Off tank Warriors that sit in deliverance before pull, with a SCH in party, bug me. Dx I mean c'mon. If this fight has any aoe in the beginning spreading Adlo is very helpful. xD The ones that pop Conva and are in Defiance have my eternal love. <3 :3

[SpookyGhost]

Off tank Warriors that sit in deliverance before pull, with a SCH in party, bug me. Dx I mean c'mon. If this fight has any aoe in the beginning spreading Adlo is very helpful. xD The ones that pop Conva and are in Defiance have my eternal love. <3 :3

Very rarely will SCHs actually bother, unfortunately, and it sucks to pop Conva and have it do nothing. ):