Deliverance rant

[RiisWolf]

This problem is gone in WoW because 98% of all attacks do not have added threat like FF14's tanks do. If we want to tank, then we get into tank stance, which gives us massive threat boost for anything we do. So if you tried to tank without tank stance, you're going to get kicked.
. . . . .FF14 Should never have the tank stances be late in the game, and most importantly have attacks that deal extra threat which enables any of us to get away with it.

[Kumori_Kumo]

I'm constantly bewildered by people asking me to tank in Deliverance. That's what Unchained is for. It's almost the same damage and I keep enemies that way.
It's already a huge battle to keep emnity from BLM, SMN and MNK. I dunno why people would wanna make that harder.

[Tyrial]

I'm constantly bewildered by people asking me to tank in Deliverance. That's what Unchained is for. It's almost the same damage and I keep enemies that way.
It's already a huge battle to keep emnity from BLM, SMN and MNK. I dunno why people would wanna make that harder.

It's not as difficult as you're making it out to be if you do it properly and keep up on your gear. Setting aggro early in the pull should give you enough of a lead to safely swap to Deliverance and AoE down the trash pack. All it should take is 1-2 Overpowers, get your stacks up, pop Zerk+IR+Bloodbath, double Decimate and then move into your Overpower spam, nobody should be taking aggro off you at that point. If you're having difficulty with holding aggro on bosses stay in Defiance for an Unchained then swap to Deliverance after it wears off.

It's also not even close to the same damage since Unchained can't be maintained 100% so you're only negating the damage penalty from Defiance for the duration of the buff and then you're back at reduced damage. Deliverance offers you a flat 5% increase to damage as well as opens up both Decimate and Fell Cleave. With a proper rotation, CD usage and dropping stacks on Fell Cleave as soon as you hit 5 (assuming a boss) you shouldn't have any aggro issues and it's a net gain for the whole party as the boss goes down faster.

[Kabooa]

I'm constantly bewildered by people asking me to tank in Deliverance. That's what Unchained is for. It's almost the same damage and I keep enemies that way.
It's already a huge battle to keep emnity from BLM, SMN and MNK. I dunno why people would wanna make that harder.

You don't need to hold aggro on enemies if the enemies are dead.

[SpookyGhost]

Defiance is 25% damage penalty, not 20%. OP is 120 pot, Defiance lowers it to 90, so Unchained makes you gain 30 pot per OP. If you only use Unchained for 2-3 OP, it doesn't outweight a Decimate at all, even a single one. It's not precise maths at all so I may be mistaken here but I know that I parse crazy high on AoE pulls by not using Unchained and instead doing double Decimate. Unchained is worth using in AoE situations only if you plan on staying in Defiance for the full duration of it while spamming OP. If you plan on switching to Deliverance early, I'm almost 100% confident that you should keep yo stacks and go Decimate.

Alright, that's interesting, thanks. Probably better to just hold onto your stacks then, yeah.

[vigioX-Sun]

My favorite an primary class is war, love it!I been playing it since 1.0.
im very sorry you been having such a bad experience in DF with the war job but not all of us are really that bad an lot of us understand a little bit more about stance dancing(at least on my own exp).
myself once I get in DF I check the party gear an from there I can decide what type of pull I can do, I always start in defiance, do my pull with flash use enfuriate an steel cyclone using bloodbath cast a CDs one at a time an once I have 2 enemies an one about to die I swipe to deliverance, this gives the healer an better time for healing an also dps the trash an once the trash is down to 2 a war can self heal an healer will not have to heal me, war is a great job an has lot of utility, but a war should always build lot of agro before swiping to dps stance specially if SMN, BLM are in group.Hope you get a better experience on the future.
Sry for bad grammar my English is not too good.

[Ashkendor]

I've been leveling WHM and I have to say, there's way too many WAR out there that try to run around in permanent Deliverance pulling huge packs, not using any cooldowns at all, and then wonder why I can't keep up healing them. -.-

[Kumori_Kumo]

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Well of course I use it once I have aggro. I'm not afraid of it, I'm saying people are telling me not to use Defiance EVER.

[Archaell]

This has been interesting read. I have been pondering for a while why do I kinda dislike healing warriors. This pretty much explains it.

[Nadirah]

So, where's the rant? The only thing I can gather from this post is that you don't like when WARs tank in Deliverance.

That *is* the rant.

Pisses me off too when I'm healing.

I've *actually* ripped hate off tanks in Deliverance *on bosses* with Stone III spam while leveling.

But gods forbid they put that tank stance up.