The Real Problem with Parsers

[TiaHeart]

... Do you like nerfs?

There is a right time and place for everything. I like that many people i knew got to enjoy stuff unsync now, which they would have never ever gotten sync. I can still run it sync if i want to for fun, but strangely its hard to find ppl. Cuz they are the minority

So how...

I dont want that. T n H are responsible jobs. If you know you cant do them, admit yourself you are bad and stick to dd. Its ok. If you are an ambitious person, advance. Theres guides, experienced people to teach, optional parsers, dummies, little high end content etc pp

[TiaHeart]

To sum it all up, im takein a democrating stance here. Im afraid global parsers in every content, even the snorefests COULD lead to people like you discriminating casuals and ruining their game. Im not saying thats how it has to be, just saying I dont like the chance of it. Hence personal parser yes, global parser no. Ppl that do the 5% content parse anyhow the way it is. And what the minority does among itself is minoritys issue and all fine. Personal parsers might help the 95 and bring no risk. I have no problem with people wanting to get good, i have no problem with people being good, the only problem i have is people telling others to get good in clearly the wrong place. And ive seen it happen. Ppl in farms failin mechanics over n over lying on the floor all day blaming the only one who had it nailed for his imperfect rotation. Im not afraid of bad players, im afraid of ignorant and dumb ones, who still feel the need to use their ellbows.

[Archaell]

Ok, you dislike elitists - I dislike elitists too. Elitists can be reported for harassment, so it is something each individual can fix.

There is no indicator when somebody isn't paying attention and you can't report them. As much as you believe that elitists are bad, I do believe that players who exploit others for free tomes are bad. There just isn't a way to deal with this issue which exists in the game.

Saying that if you are bad you should play dps jobs is making me furious. No. If you are bad you should try to improve. Every player in the group should share the same amount of responsibility. That's equal treatment. It shouldn't be play dps if you want to be irresponsible. The goal of every member of the group is to finish the run. Unfortunately players aren't considering others in their "single-player" game to do their best so something like parser is needed to make their contribution visible.

Not all players are nice. Elitist can be as toxic as slacker. The most annoying is when poor dps player blames the bard or whoever that the group is failing dps checks. With the public tools they wouldn't be able to do that.

[TiaHeart]

Ok, you dislike...

If only it were so simple. You know 90 percent of those casuals wont care to make the effort to file a report? They just think the game is shit, not because the game, but because the players are. They know one way to #dealwithit is move on and maybe do better things with their time. You expect everyone to involve to care as much as you do. THAT is not "too realistic"

...report them.

Well you can try to kick them for harassment if you feel sb is just expecting you to farm for them. Sounds like harassment. If you need a parser to proof your suspection, it cant be that bad. If you suspect all 3 of em do it and vote no- oh well, very likely

I do believe...

So do I. But in 110 days of playtime i never felt there are many people i would have to label tomefarmers by idling. Except pvp maybe, but then again MAYBE they truly think uncontested nodes need to be deffed.

[AriaEnia]

Like what I said, quick to judge. Even if you're doing sub par dps, doesn't mean that you aren't trying to improve, some people are in the process of improving. Some people are struggling to play the so called best rotation, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to learn it, but from what I see frequently, those parser people just kick them "wtf are you doing, ur dps number is so low, stop playing go uninstall", vote kick them.

[TiaHeart]

Saying that if you are bad you should play dps jobs is making me furious

My point isnt if you are bad play dps, it is if you are bad dont tank/heal. If you KNOW you will be destroying others fun, dont do it.

No. If you are bad you should try to improve

Absolutely. Personal parsers for everyone even on playstation pls. However, no dps gets better by pointing his finger at the baddies. Youre just asking to "force" ppl to get better by bashing em. I do not condone that violence

[TiaHeart]

Every player in the group should share the same amount of responsibility

This is not "too realistic" it is impossible. He plays at 70 percent me at 90 u at 95. Swe all have to be at 95 now, until sb steps in to show us 100? There are better players and worse, and always be. There are players thriving for more and those who are satisfied. Stay out of df, manage your friendlist, make illusional pfs. Just please stay out of my game. I wont EVER share your standards. I dont want to.

The goal of every member of the group is to finish the run.

Exactly. Not to match your standards.

[Archaell]

If only it were so simple. You know 90 percent of those casuals wont care to make the effort to file a report? They just think the game is shit, not because the game, but because the players are. They know one way to #dealwithit is move on and maybe do better things with their time. You expect everyone to involve to care as much as you do. THAT is not "too realistic"

No, actually I do agree with you. If they decide not to use the report feature - it is their choice. That's what is this all about - about giving players choices and information.

Well you can try to kick them for harassment if you feel sb is just expecting you to farm for them. Sounds like harassment. If you need a parser to proof your suspection, it cant be that bad.

I can't tell when one dps is doing 75% of damage and the other one 25%. So it is not really an option. If all of them are doing 25%... well it is time to leave as the game is no longer fun when there are soft enrages... which is another issue.

The longer the fight takes the more strain it causes for the healer. If the healer fails... "healer why no heal?!?" Try to explain to them that boss is getting increased damage the longer the fight lasts and that your mana isn't unlimited.

Like what I said, quick to judge. Even if you're doing sub par dps, doesn't mean that you aren't trying to improve, some people are in the process of improving. Some people are struggling to play the so called best rotation, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to learn it, but from what I see frequently, those parser people just kick them "wtf are you doing, ur dps number is so low, stop playing go uninstall", vote kick them.

I haven't seen this happen once. I have seen "dps is shit" followed by leave tho.

With help of parser we can help these players who are willing to improve. That's pretty much what it is. Everyone can play the same way they do now... but then others can see their contribution. I am certain that more players are going to help someone underperforming - rather than mock them and kick them right after it. That's how much i believe in this community.

[TiaHeart]

Ok, you dislike elitists. I do too

Im not sure. i think you dislike casuals and again the majority of players. I think you set yourself a high standard which is great, but try to force it on others which is bad. And pick extreme examples to justify your cause. Im still under the impression you are an elitist. Sorry thats just how people perceive

Not all players are nice. Elitist can be as toxic as slacker. The most annoying is when poor dps player blames the bard or whoever that the group is failing dps checks. With the public tools they wouldn't be able to do that.

100% true. My experience is elititists are a more "real" threat while i wont play down the later part.

[Archaell]

Im not sure. i think you dislike casuals and again the majority of players. I think you set yourself a high standard which is great, but try to force it on others which is bad. And pick extreme examples to justify your cause. Im still under the impression you are an elitist. Sorry thats just how people perceive

I love casuals, I even consider myself to be a casual. But casual doesn't mean that you shouldn't do your part of the work. You are mixing two things.

If somebody wants to be an ice mage? Well let them be an ice mage. It is their choice. But let the rest of the group know that they have an ice mage in the group.