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    People want customization and when SE delivers they complain? LOL. I'm GLAD this is coming man i've been waiting for this forever melding/gemming my equipment as I see fit? Hell yeah. It also creates an actual purpose with the new crafted accessories and gear that crafters made because we never ever used materia unless you did Novus or pentamelded which costs an arm and a leg.

    Regarding bringing the person who bothered to meld their gear, yeah i'd bring them over someone who wasn't why?

    1) they actually took the time to optimize their class
    2) push themselves to their fullest potential

    It's like any other MMO you take someone who's geared, is prepared, and you raid with them to me it's just how I play my MMOs, gil will actually have a purpose instead of just sitting in my inventory rotting away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    People want customization and when SE delivers they complain?
    Just wanted to reply to this, what customization? There is still a pretty clear BiS for the meta, there is no customization. Someone will spreadsheet what is an optimal materia build and everyone will go for that. To me this is just another thing to do before you put on a piece of gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    Just wanted to reply to this, what customization? There is still a pretty clear BiS for the meta, there is no customization. Someone will spreadsheet what is an optimal materia build and everyone will go for that. To me this is just another thing to do before you put on a piece of gear.
    You're right about that people will do that but it's customization that this game was lacking as it wasn't in 2.0 at all it's nice to see it here when the new gear comes out months from now it'll all be new and eventually there will be guides for every class to be optimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    You're right about that people will do that but it's customization that this game was lacking as it wasn't in 2.0 at all it's nice to see it here when the new gear comes out months from now it'll all be new and eventually there will be guides for every class to be optimal.
    My point was that it only provides an illusion of choice and customization, when everyone has to meld the same way it's not customization, it's just extra stats to help make content a little easier. Then there is also the concern that they start balancing around people having materia, then there is no choice but to do it once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    My point was that it only provides an illusion of choice and customization, when everyone has to meld the same way it's not customization, it's just extra stats to help make content a little easier. Then there is also the concern that they start balancing around people having materia, then there is no choice but to do it once again.
    illusion? i think not, because the 3 secondary status works differently each other

    they just need to adjust the number so no status is clearly better than other.

    the problem for status customization in this game is everything is so straight and obvious, so people can straight doing calculation without really trying

    monster only have attack and defense and HP, how they can make a customization based on that three basic status?

    without overhaul and addition of monster (and player) status and system, customization is still long journey. but hey, at least they take the first step.
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    Last edited by iambanana; 10-26-2015 at 05:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iambanana View Post
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    I don't disagree with you, but until we're at that point, I feel like this change doesn't serve much purpose. I think the "elitism" argument is a little silly. My issue is that the materia don't really provide a very large number of stats under this new proposed system, a few more points on whatever stat and a few more points on some secondaries, it just seems so paltry. With everything being so straightforward as far as stats and gearing goes, my issue is that this change doesn't really do anything right now. Maybe down the line yes, but I really think it's not worth implementing until the materia thing is significant enough to be worth noticing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    I don't disagree with you, but until we're at that point, I feel like this change doesn't serve much purpose. I think the "elitism" argument is a little silly. My issue is that the materia don't really provide a very large number of stats under this new proposed system, a few more points on whatever stat and a few more points on some secondaries, it just seems so paltry. With everything being so straightforward as far as stats and gearing goes, my issue is that this change doesn't really do anything right now. Maybe down the line yes, but I really think it's not worth implementing until the materia thing is significant enough to be worth noticing.
    Unless 3.2 or beyond adds new types of materia, which is entirely possible. However seeing as we know nothing about this feature other than the fact that they're just adding materia slots to tome / raid gear it seems far too early for the all the negativity being thrown around towards a feature that could quite literally be a game changer on a fundamental level when it comes to gearing and itemization.

    Whats to stop them from adding materia with unique stats or stat modifiers to compliment this system as someone else mentioned?

    This could very well eventually lead to the return of job specific stats but it has to start somewhere for players to get used to it.
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    Last edited by Ryel; 10-26-2015 at 05:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
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    yes, but i believe they will do something more than that for the patch. the patch is still have a long time to arrive, as we not even in 3.1 yet.

    given this materia change system is one feature they choose to be previewed even before 3.1 hit, lets assume the patch 3.2 will focused and revolve around this new system, and i hope the new secondary status for monster and player is part of their plan.
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