Summoners Overpowered in PvP

[PotatoTree]

Are we talking about lvl 50 wolves den or a hypothetical lvl 60 1v1 btw? Are the walls/obstacles or just flat land like in seize? Does both jobs start with stoneskin+protect or no? Also energy drain is hella good, especially in a 1v1.

I can do a very mean burst as a BLM 1v1 on lvl 60, but if the SMN doesn't die (hp build, energy drain, knockback) then it's still a loss as after the burst they will easily whittle the BLM down.

Edit: forgot that BLM can't even virus a SMN, while the SMN can virus the BLM.

[Leigaon]

Am I the only one who thinks summoners are overpowered in PvP? They have massive bursts that gives me no time to chase them. They're the most job earning battle high state.

I use to think they were an issue when it first came out, but as I play and heal I don't find them much of an issue. Even when I play summoner I go in do my burst but I can easily get screwed over as a SMN by another job.

I don't like to chase too far and being a healer a lot in them, I like to stay within a certain range of the AoE slaughterfest that happens in crowds. I get screwed over a lot by dragoons, they'll either jump back the moment they see all 3 of those DOTS get on, or I'll get stunned out the wazoo.

Going against a summoner Esuna is my friend, that takes fester down a decent amount of potency per DOT I can get off before a fester. This is of course if they don't have their tri-move up and ready. Still, the ones who are getting hit by the full combo I normally can keep them alive, then I like to sleep the summoners..and watch them go to 0 HP. Even if they manage to kill off the player, if the DPS can move the Summoner close enough in where they can't easily run they are usually caught and the points are taken back.

[kisada]

Are we talking about lvl 50 wolves den or a hypothetical lvl 60 1v1 btw? Are the walls/obstacles or just flat land like in seize? Does both jobs start with stoneskin+protect or no? Also energy drain is hella good, especially in a 1v1.

I can do a very mean burst as a BLM 1v1 on lvl 60, but if the SMN doesn't die (hp build, energy drain, knockback) then it's still a loss as after the burst they will easily whittle the BLM down.

Edit: forgot that BLM can't even virus a SMN, while the SMN can virus the BLM.

^has it right

fwiw in slaughter as a blm, smns were among my favorite targets. in seize as smn, blms are among my favorite targets. at 60 a smn has too many distinct advantages and it's not really even close.

[Tarta]

*snip*

Nope. I don't believe you.
Getting 15+ kills with BLM consistently on Seal Rock? Haven't seen this on Aether center.
Firestarter doesn't proc of Fire IV. I don't know what you are talking about. TC procs only happen once in a while, or guaranteed once per Sharpcast cooldown (if you use it for TC).
You sound like a hard troll.

[TiaHariberux3]

Nope. I don't believe you.
Getting 15+ kills with BLM consistently on Seal Rock? Haven't seen this on Aether center.
Firestarter doesn't proc of Fire IV. I don't know what you are talking about. TC procs only happen once in a while, or guaranteed once per Sharpcast cooldown (if you use it for TC).
You sound like a hard troll.

I met a blm in mael on chaos who got 15+ in most matches don't know about aether. Also if people jump on a blm they get killed pretty fast (if the blm isn't alone or at the front of the fight)

[Stupiduglytaru]

Nope. I don't believe you.
Getting 15+ kills with BLM consistently on Seal Rock? Haven't seen this on Aether center.
Firestarter doesn't proc of Fire IV. I don't know what you are talking about. TC procs only happen once in a while, or guaranteed once per Sharpcast cooldown (if you use it for TC).
You sound like a hard troll.

There was merely an error, it was meant to read Blm has Fire IV, Fire Starter/thundercloud procs.

Its possible to hit 15kills with blm consistently, but that's not what I said. I have hit a few 15+ games with it, thundercloud can crit 4k+ fire IV 6k+ firestarter 5-6k+

On chaos Datacenter there is one blm which can do this, the job is just very hard to play to this level.

[Sunako]

Its possible to hit 15kills with blm consistently.

Not if you play with adder and defends 80% of time. That is why i stopped doing pvp because only thing what ppl wanna do is sit on the node and afk. It is pretty hard 2 get kills while "defending" node. Rarely anybody have even 5+ kills sometimes because ppl avoid fighting as much possible.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Not if you play with adder and defends 80% of time. That is why i stopped doing pvp because only thing what ppl wanna do is sit on the node and afk. It is pretty hard 2 get kills while "defending" node. Rarely anybody have even 5+ kills sometimes because ppl avoid fighting as much possible.

When you do you q? We run a premade in the evenings and encourage a more aggressive stance

It's annoying adders still think sometimes their turtle strat is the only way to win......when your running a 20% win rate maybe there's something wrong lol

[Tarta]

When you do you q? We run a premade in the evenings and encourage a more aggressive stance

It's annoying adders still think sometimes their turtle strat is the only way to win......when your running a 20% win rate maybe there's something wrong lol

20% win rate? I wish. It's difficult enough as it is to get the 3 wins a week for challenge log...
Your spells *can* crit for high dmg you quoted. However, for consistently getting crits in that range, you need setup. Also, to hope at getting those crits more often, you need party setup. Premades will obviously make a terrific difference, however, for all the GC/servers that do not have that privilege, you have to look at what you can do 1 on 1 (teams that don't attack, so you attack a node with 1 defender; it's 1 on 1. BLM seems to always lose unless I get the first cast without interrupt and got swiftcast up and opponent is from select classes I can solo).

[Nutz]

I agree that SMN seems powerful, and maybe they are too powerful as their burst rotation can be roughly equivalent to a melee LB, though cast from a much longer distance and available every minute regardless of any other circumstances (like building LB gauge). Practically speaking though I've survived a SMN burst rotation and never survived a melee LB, even when it was cast on me while I was sprinting and it was nowhere near connecting with me.

Currently I only have BLM at 60 and I've been doing frontlines a fair bit. SMNs are most annoying to me now simply because of the body bloat. It becomes a headache to target people because there are constantly 6 pets lingering about and they can chase you quite far. Between just the 2 jobs SMN seems much more powerful, though BLM can melt inattentive targets very quickly and easily if there are other people around to distract them. Alone, BLM more or less can't attack except with swiftcast or scathe since any competent attacker will not only be hitting you, but also running behind you constantly preventing any casts.

It feels 'unfair', but SMNs don't have sustained damage. They have a very good burst every minute or so and an annoying pet that probably never kills anything. They feel very powerful because of the instances where you run into one and they unload everything they have on you, though the same could be said about several DRGs and WARs I've come across.