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  1. #341
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    Toguro's Avatar
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    I've been reading the seemingly endless debate about the housing and thought I should say my thoughts on it to add to the endless debate so that it doesn't end the endless debate

    The system is flawed.
    Why? This system really does nothing but open houses so people can take them all again in the first 3 hours of eviction. Here's some scenarios:

    1. Everyone now knows that 45 days after 3.1, all of the houses will be unlocked. It will be a countdown. Once the 45th day hits, you probably won't even be able to get in the game yourself because EVERYONE will be on it. Houses will be gone in hours.

    2. Because the rules only say "Enter the house and you keep it", what is preventing a person from buying a house for selfish reasons, buying it and building it instantly and then never going back into the house until the 44th day to keep it. For what? It doesn't matter it's their house and right. So they are taking up a house for literally no reason. So what's the difference from before? They are active players but are purposely hogging the house.

    3. A super-hyper-mega-Godbert level crafter wants to troll because he's just "one of those dudes" ya know? Gives millions of gil to an alt. Goes on that alt and buys 5 houses or whatever the limit is. He has 5 houses now. All he needs to do is go in them on day 44. They're his "by his right". Sooner or later will the people saying "Lost your house? Deal with it." that lost their houses to this guy "Deal with it?" Or bring up a valid argument that the system is flawed.

    4. A non-crafter/gatherer only player loves the game. She's been subscribed for 480 days. That's 16 subs. Equal to $240. During the 16 subs, the player has finally amassed enough money to get a house. She's so happy she FINALLY got one. It was her dream. Then oh no her PC breaks. It takes 2 months to get a new one. Boom Her dream gone. $240 that gave her time to get it is wasted because its gone. All homes are likely to be bought so she's outta luck. Can she be mad at herself? No. Can she be mad at the person who bought her house? No. Can she be mad at the Devs? Yes.

    5. A week from after the houses are released, they are all bought up. Everyone knows that they will lose their home they just bought if they are away. So you'd be crazy to think they'd quickly give it up. They will hold on to their dream home. For months. I've read previously that most people could have other things to worry about than FFXIV if they are unable to play for a serious situation. This isn't right. People have different ways to value things. A guy can fall out of a plane and miraculously survive and be in the hospital for 2 months and come back and honestly be ready to kill somebody because his house is gone. Especially if FFXIV happened to be his favorite thing to do.


    BTW, I have no house.

    This doesn't solve anything. All it will do is cause future competition, complaints, and turmoil when any of those scenarios will happen. And those people will be right here on the forums.

    The ONLY solution is more wards. Alot more. Not just one more district. They're gonna need a buttload of districts to fix it.
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    Last edited by Toguro; 10-21-2015 at 03:31 PM.

  2. #342
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    ElHeggunte's Avatar
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    Naiyah Nanaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulch View Post
    Or they could just add more housing wards.... maybe even content...... Oh wait forgot #ServerStrain
    We're getting more wards. We're getting more content. Regardless of whatever else happens with housing from this point forward, we desperately need a way to free up abandoned plots from delinquent homeowners. The only legitimate argument against this change is the personal house timer being a little on the short side (60 days would have been better) and may potentially screw over people who are forced from the game against their will.

    Of course this isn't going to "fix" the issue of there not being enough homes to go around, but it's not supposed to. It's just one initial step in a larger plan to attempt to fix the issue of there not being enough homes (or whatever the hell it is SE is trying to do). Suggesting that they shouldn't bother with the change at all just because it won't immediately fix the overarching issue with housing is silly.
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  3. #343
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshpan View Post
    If you're no longer actively playing, much less continuing your subscription for any period of time, then you are the one being selfish for wanting to keep your claws onto a plot of land
    Good for you, you don't feel attachment to things that you spent time and money on. Want a medal?
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    Last edited by SuperZay; 10-21-2015 at 06:58 PM.

  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrehn View Post
    We've known this was coming for a long time and it was never marketed as being a housing "fix". It was always promoted as being a first step towards more accessible housing with their current structure.
    There is no step here though, progress is moving forward not back to square one, you just assuming it is as you only have the POV of looking onto the properties which people do not have. I am not sure what people have an issue with, not having a house here or the fact that people aren't using them frequently enough to their standards.

    What I am reading more is, you aren't using it enough, bugger off, let me have it, the last time I have seen the behaviour is with children.
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  5. #345
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    Good for you, you don't feel attachment to things that you spent time and money on. Want a medal?
    If you're no longer paying and playing to access your house, how do you feel an attachment to it? It would be like owning a dog and after a few years never looking at it, while still claiming that you're "attached" to it.
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  6. #346
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    If you're no longer paying and playing to access your house, how do you feel an attachment to it? It would be like owning a dog and after a few years never looking at it, while still claiming that you're "attached" to it.
    I've seen more "Dog greets owner coming back from deployment" videos on Youtube than videos where the soldier comes back and is told "Well we put him down because obviously you didn't care that much about him if you were gone for so long."
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  7. #347
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    I've seen more "Dog greets owner coming back from deployment" videos on Youtube than videos where the soldier comes back and is told "Well we put him down because obviously you didn't care that much about him if you were gone for so long."
    There is a difference between having to leave your dog behind for sometime due to being deployed and outright ignoring them because you're bored of them though, the latter being the case for the majority of players. Don't get me wrong, I know there's going to be cases where players can't player no matter how much they might want to due to real life circumstances, but realistically speaking it's just that most people are going to leave the game and think "Maybe I'll come back". 2 months is plenty for a temporary break.
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    Last edited by Colorful; 10-21-2015 at 08:34 PM.

  8. #348
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    And we've already said that military deployments are the one major exception SE didn't take into consideration with the 45 day rule, since soldiers deployed overseas often literally can't log in.
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  9. #349
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    And we've already said that military deployments are the one major exception SE didn't take into consideration with the 45 day rule, since soldiers deployed overseas often literally can't log in.
    You don't invest in the most valuable and rare ressource in the game which you knew would have some kind of prune system to it one day or the other if you know that you can leave the game anytime for several months.

    If you want a house under these conditions, you join an active FC with an estate which will let you be afk for these periods of time.

    Individual housing is very much a luxury, and that luxury isn't for everyone.
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  10. #350
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    I've seen more "Dog greets owner coming back from deployment" videos on Youtube than videos where the soldier comes back and is told "Well we put him down because obviously you didn't care that much about him if you were gone for so long."
    Bottom Line, If you aren't on to actually use the plot, You don't need it. This is something you and everyone will have to get used to now, it was incredibly dumb for people to be hogging plots when they never actually play. You aren't "Attached" to it that badly if you abandon it.
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