Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WinterLuna]

Why not just ban all inexperienced players from the game?

I have no problems with more PF customization options. But I've been in numerous "farm" parties where everyone already has a clear that go worse than learning parties, so I don't see how this option will really change anything.

I call bs on people that say they are willing to help. That doesn't happen.

I posted a screenshot of the 7 other players I helped in duty finder who got their clear and didn't have a clue what they were doing. I didn't know any of them. Stop making out people don't help because that's ridiculous.

It's not just about the farm party going well. It can go great with a new person. What about when that new person gets their clear they wanted and leaves? Better yet, gets the drop everyone is farming for and leaves?

Plus it's a rare occasion when a completely new person knows what they're doing AND admits they're the new person AND stays to farm in the first place.

It's not about 'banning every inexperienced player', it's about stopping them from joining something which has specific rules (which they don't meet) when they can't respect a leaders requirements. MAKE YOUR OWN CLEAR PARTY. Don't be rude.

[Kalsam]

I call bs on people that say they are willing to help. That doesn't happen. I've setup numerous learning parties myself for content and every time an experience person joins, they flip out when someone dies and rage quit. I have a better chance of finding a unicorn then I do finding experience people willing to help people that haven't got a clear yet.

Wish you were on Excalibur. I, and occasionally my friends, love to jump in and help folks catch up. It's a great way to find new people that may have the skill, just not the gear yet. :P

But as WL said, not everyone's the same. You just found a lot of bad 'elitists' on your server. The majority of people joining a "learning party" KNOW there is going to be wipes. Some may try to give advice badly that sounds like they're raging... but if they're joining expecting a clear, then they need to rethink their game plan >.>

[WinterLuna]

Why not just ban all inexperienced players from the game?

Oh, and you realise this is an option I'm asking for, right? Nobody is 'banning' anyone.

[Brill_]

Oh, and you realise this is an option I'm asking for, right? Nobody is 'banning' anyone.

But it's the only sure fire way to keep people from crashing your farm parties. I never said I thought it was ok for inexperienced people to join farm parties. People should stick with parties they are qualified for.

Let's face facts, if you don't clear content on the first day, good luck clearing it at all. I remember doing WoD 16 hours after it was released and there were already experienced people raging at the first timers for not knowing the fight. Just the way the community is in this game: intolerant of failure.

[Sansho]

I kidz much.
This should 100% be included. So those that want to get on with their 'gaming' experience in this 'game' can enjoy the entertaining aspect of the 'game' .....GAME!!! (I love to see someone new and share in the completion of the content) And those that unfortunately have turned this into a 9-5 chore can get on with the collecting of the pretty and shiny electronic imaginary items, I worry about those guys.....they don't sleep well after those magic bonus notices pop up. So have a heart SE and gamers, please stop making this job harder for them. Give these poor oppressed people what they NEED.... so maybe those seeking to entertain themselves can get on with things without listening to them complain and cry so much.

[WinterLuna]

But it's the only sure fire way to keep people from crashing your farm parties.

Let's face facts, if you don't clear content on the first day, good luck clearing it at all. I remember doing WoD 16 hours after it was released and there were already experienced people raging at the first timers for not knowing the fight. Just the way the community is in this game: intolerant of failure.

Good, because people shouldn't be crashing my farm parties. That's the entire point. Your point of view seems as though you don't want this option because your only way of clearing something is to sneak into a farm party.

As I said, people do help others. You can ignore me all you like, but I know myself how many clear parties I've helped with purely to help people clear, and this is extremely old content like Ifrit or Thornmarch Ex.

The only reason people wouldn't like this option is because they want to sneak into farm parties. Period.

Thunda_Cat_SMASH, post limit so I'll reply here. How many times must I repeat myself, or are you just blatantly ignoring me for the sake of argument? People do help others believe it or not! Sure, I'm asking for this setting, because sometimes I want to do my own thing. But I actually spend a lot of my time helping out with clears and learning, which are mostly random party finders.

I refuse to believe you have never received help. If there aren't any learning or clear parties, make your own. 'Learning/clear parties are rare enough as it is,' so your logic is to not allow this setting so people can still use farm parties for their clear? Makes no sense.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Oh wow, gee. I didn't know I'd snuck into farm parties before. I make it a point to not join parties I'm not qualified for, but eh.

The reason I don't like this idea is because learning/clear parties are rare enough as is. With this, why would anyone even bother helping people get their first clear?

[Colorful]

Oh wow, gee. I didn't know I'd snuck into farm parties before. I make it a point to not join parties I'm not qualified for, but eh.

The reason I don't like this idea is because learning/clear parties are rare enough as is. With this, why would anyone even bother helping people get their first clear?

People need to learn to create their own parties instead of ruining the enjoyment of other people selfishly. I only cleared BisEX after a few weeks and during the times I played there was rarely ever a party, what did I do? Create one, you'd be surprised at how quick they fill up and the constant comments like "I was waiting for ages for someone to create a party". Leading a party isn't some amazing feat, anyone can do it. Step up and create your own if there isn't one.

[Brill_]

People need to learn to create their own parties instead of ruining the enjoyment of other people selfishly. I only cleared BisEX after a few weeks and during the times I played there was rarely ever a party, what did I do? Create one, you'd be surprised at how quick they fill up and the constant comments like "I was waiting for ages for someone to create a party". Leading a party isn't some amazing feat, anyone can do it. Step up and create your own if there isn't one.

Funny how you guys keep accusing other people of being selfish, yet the entire motive behind this idea is selfish. I create my own PF all the time, very few actually fill up. If they do, they fall apart when someone rage quits after a wipe or two.

[Colorful]

Funny how you guys keep accusing other people of being selfish, yet the entire motive behind this idea is selfish.

Perhaps it is selfish, but I'm also taking into consideration the 6 other people in my party (excluding the one newbie who joins) because as you may know, most difficult content is 8 man. I'll admit, this suggestion is rather selfish, but joining and wasting 7 other people's time is far, far more selfish. It's the lesser of the two evils so to speak. I don't even know why I bother arguing about this though, I know SE is never going to implement this because they want everyone to be babied. Oh, Steps of Faith requires you to click some buttons and man two cannons? Better nerf it!

I create my own PF all the time, very few actually fill up.

Has it always been like this, or just recently? The game has been rather dead, but that stands to be SE's fault. You have two options here, move to a more populated server (I have no idea if Siren is populated), or if you can't due to friends and FC members, ask them to help you. What are friends for, right? I know I'd more than gladly help a friend who needs to get through Bismarck, even though I dislike that instance more than I do Neverreap (why are tornadoes even a thing?).

If they do, they fall apart when someone rage quits after a wipe or two.

On a somewhat related note, this is yet another reason I hate it when a newbie joins a farm party. They get their clear, and then leave. This has happened every time without exception. Are they unable to comprehend what "farm party" means? You know, I wouldn't mind carrying the occasional newbie if it weren't for this. The worst part is, when one person leaves so does the rest. I don't understand why the FFXIV community does this, no other MMO I've played has that "One player has left, we're all doomed" mentality.