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  1. #1011
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro View Post
    I honestly think its fine nothing wrong with 1350. I think if you're at 1300-1320(which was why I commented about the 1300-1350 ilv 198 comment) with ilvl 202 theres probably something not being optimized or really low crit RNG, but 1350(1340-1350 consistently) in my opinion is good with average crit rate. I'm at ilvl 201(ill have hands in 2 weeks if I get no drops again) and I can hit 1370s with high crits or medium and lucky crits(as in the majority of those crits are on the right abilities).
    My crit RNG sucks bad. I get around 15-20%. Only time i hit the higher numbers is if my crit is around 35% but that almost is never the case :/
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  2. #1012
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    Guevara San
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamii View Post
    regardles of ilvl, you should be aiming for the same as your dummy dps, if anything you should actually be a tiny bit higher.

    edit: this applies to all dps by the way, not just monk

    Thank you Zamii.

    I have a somewhat different rotation from what I see mostly used.

    What do you guys think about it?

    DK > TwinS > SP > Fracture > ToD >
    BS > TrueS > DM >
    DK > TwinS > SP > Fracture >
    BS > TrueS > DM > REPEAT

    Basically instead of doing 1 Demolish every 3 Coeurl Forms I do it every 2, since I use fracture and demolish is almost off every two stance rotations.
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  3. #1013
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    Leona Dawnstar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    My crit RNG sucks bad. I get around 15-20%. Only time i hit the higher numbers is if my crit is around 35% but that almost is never the case :/
    That feels horribly low, at ilvl 202 youll probably be roughly around 12-13% crit rate alone. Internal release and boot shine are going to increase your crit average even higher. 35% seems absurdly high, 35% is something you'd get with a dragoon's battle litany, or maybe your crit RNG rolled a 20....

    I'm curious where you are reading your crit values on the app...

    My crit averages around 24% right now. 22% is low for me right now, and my highs are 27-29%. I had 1370 at 29% crit and 1372.8 at 26% go figure...
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  4. #1014
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro View Post
    That feels horribly low, at ilvl 202 youll probably be roughly around 12-13% crit rate alone. Internal release and boot shine are going to increase your crit average even higher. 35% seems absurdly high, 35% is something you'd get with a dragoon's battle litany, or maybe your crit RNG rolled a 20....

    I'm curious where you are reading your crit values on the app...

    My crit averages around 24% right now. 22% is low for me right now, and my highs are 27-29%. I had 1370 at 29% crit and 1372.8 at 26% go figure...
    Well, youve setthe bar for me so i will endevour to meet it. Practice makes perfect they say and ill do just that I'm pretty sure its my rotation going wonky somewhere along the way...
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  5. #1015
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    Lucina Heartfillia
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    my rotation is: form shift x3> ST> Demo > PB> Snap P> B4B> Snap P> Internal R> DK (pot)> TWS> Snap P> EF> HF> TOD> FC> BS> SP>TS>Demo
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    Zami Terrechant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guevara View Post
    snip
    i could go through the whole mathed out how much potency you lose, etc etc, but you should just take my word for it.
    your loosing a substantial amount of potency from clipping your demolishes, as well as loosing your DK and twin snakes buff on one of the reapplications.
    on top of that, your TP usage will be significantly higher due to the more frequent use of fracture.

    i know the ideal rotation can take quite a bit of getting used to, but its definitely worth practicing, if nothing else you would actually be better off dropping fracture entirely and just using demo every 3 rotations.
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  7. #1017
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    Well, youve setthe bar for me so i will endevour to meet it. Practice makes perfect they say and ill do just that I'm pretty sure its my rotation going wonky somewhere along the way...
    You're going to hate me now! Hands dropped, bringing it to 203 now, did like 10 rounds, hit 1403 for 2 of them as my highest out of the 10, rest were 1380s with one being 1365 or something like that at 21%(low crit %) The highs had crit of 28% the rest were 24-26%. I know I can spike higher with 30% crit, I had one with 30% but its when I swapped around to ilvl 202 for more acc(as Ill probably have to use this set until legs drop for more accuracy).

    I see that you went to ilvl 204 ,grats! What are the numbers looking like for you now?
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  8. #1018
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro View Post
    You're going to hate me now! Hands dropped, bringing it to 203 now, did like 10 rounds, hit 1403 for 2 of them as my highest out of the 10, rest were 1380s with one being 1365 or something like that at 21%(low crit %) The highs had crit of 28% the rest were 24-26%. I know I can spike higher with 30% crit, I had one with 30% but its when I swapped around to ilvl 202 for more acc(as Ill probably have to use this set until legs drop for more accuracy).

    I see that you went to ilvl 204 ,grats! What are the numbers looking like for you now?
    Well yesterday, during Savage A1 i gave it my absolute all watching my DPS up to first jump including Tornado Kick. I was 1400+ Think it was like 1410. My crit average was 29%. So im pretty happy my work is starting to pay off! Yet on the dummy i maintain 1350 - 1400ish based on crits as per ususal. No crits around 1350,crits push me to 1400 or above xD Keep in mind im not using a pot during Savage A1S as i feel its just not needed. as does the rest of my group. Was a good day yesterday being top dps, out dpsing the DRG and SMN. Only in A2S was the SMN out dpsing me, but i could not maintain a 1600+ dps. My highs was around 1800 thanks to PB > DK > TwS > RBx as much as i can fit in lol. Overall average was 1500. Yet i see MNK's doing 2k+ Not sure how to be honest lol
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  9. #1019
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    Well yesterday, during Savage A1 i gave it my absolute all watching my DPS up to first jump including Tornado Kick. I was 1400+ Think it was like 1410. My crit average was 29%. So im pretty happy my work is starting to pay off! Yet on the dummy i maintain 1350 - 1400ish based on crits as per ususal. No crits around 1350,crits push me to 1400 or above xD Keep in mind im not using a pot during Savage A1S as i feel its just not needed. as does the rest of my group. Was a good day yesterday being top dps, out dpsing the DRG and SMN. Only in A2S was the SMN out dpsing me, but i could not maintain a 1600+ dps. My highs was around 1800 thanks to PB > DK > TwS > RBx as much as i can fit in lol. Overall average was 1500. Yet i see MNK's doing 2k+ Not sure how to be honest lol
    Whats your opener?

    Yea for As2 I'm around 1500-1600 without food/pots or drg/nin, but I have to get in the robot by double mega spider spawn so I don't know what my dps would be through out the run. We have a temp dragoon now but doesn't matter as I have her dps and just do robot since I already have that down. My aoe rotation is far from optimal though, I know I could squeeze out way more dps if I bothered to.

    Also the 2000 dps monks for As2, I'm assuming you're referring to the FFlogs or BG leader boards ? They're all sporting 210 weapons and are in 208-210 ilvls. The only one that I know of that isn't sporting the 210 is Olivia Sen, but shes full 210 outside of that so 208+ 200 weapon. That is 36 extra str from your ilvl gear with +2 dmg and whatever else extra stat difference there is. That is roughly 57 stat weight points already against you(without factoring secondaries), don't worry mate, you'll get to that dps when you get the gear~

    My group started so late on starting savage due to looking for a good dps spot to fill, but no luck so we took in a smn that was horrible and while they improved they were still sub par compared to other smns at that ilvl and even more subpar in attitude, they left thankfully, sadly during as3 progression, but I have drg friend that would temp join til one of our member's family got geared up(they just started playing and would like to raid with eachother so theres that), so our progression hasnt been halted thankfully.
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  10. #1020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitoseijuro View Post
    Whats your opener?
    I've tried a few but i fine for timing purposes the 3.0 opener is great. It pushes me back to flack as that green liquid attack takes place (sorry brain dead after gym atm....). It is:

    ST > DM > PB > SP (B4B) > SP (IR) > TwS (StP) > DK (HF) > SP (EF), (ToD), (FC) > BS > TrS > DM

    Modifiers:
    If using pot i replace this with StP. StP then comes after BS
    If you have Astro and have Arrow cast on you, after TrS i Fracture > DM as you have the time for this

    As for A2S Im asked to gimp my DPS either way as it throws the tanks cool down rotation out the window lol.
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