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  1. #51
    Player Kaisinel's Avatar
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    Cold Steel'
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Only way parry will be remotely useful is if they change it to do a counterattack that does descent enough damage perhaps auto damage while maintaining a decent and realistic proc rate not FF14 RNG flawed system. This would increase MT DPS, actually maybe and honestly mean maybe encourage people to use VIT accessories cause honestly they are a joke too. Right now there is absolutely no reason to stack VIT unless you're a shitty tank or have shitty healers and that's for real any tank buster can be survived with proper cool down usage and minimal HP.
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  2. #52
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    Viviza Viza
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Nothing can save Parry as long as it remains a Defensive Stat. That's just the way this community is now.
    Yep, this. Look at vitality. Vitality does have value that is 100% reliable -- it makes you harder to kill. When your healers are distracted for a moment, or a cooldown was used at the wrong time, or you get clipped by something, having enough health to not die can prevent a wipe entirely. The common retort "well just play perfectly" doesn't hold much weight compared to actual gameplay where mistakes are made, and people die to hits they would have survived with another hundred health.

    But tanks will not stack it.

    Justified? Maybe. Raid DPS checks are very high right now. You need good tank DPS to reasonably clear them. Dying to enrage five minutes later is still dead. But I think there's also a persistent mentality that a tank only needs as much health as the hardest hit, and caution beyond that be damned, which doesn't strike me as very tanky.
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  3. #53
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    VIT is only useful for keeping you from dying to big hits. Once you have enough to survive them any extra adds nothing to you. It is worse than parry at that point.
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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disc View Post
    VIT is only useful for keeping you from dying to big hits. Once you have enough to survive them any extra adds nothing to you. It is worse than parry at that point.
    Did you read my post?
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  5. #55
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    You imply that we do not stack VIT because we can just "play perfectly" to remove its use & you are displeased with our lack of "caution" & "tanky" equipment. The truth is that outside of the tank-busters we specifically build VIT for, it has no use. It does not mitigate damage, nor does it increase damage. It is the number one worst stat in the game if you put on more than you need. Parry is in a completely different place. Parries are incredibly strong. We would go out of our way to stack it if gear made a significant impact on the rate or strength. Being a defensive stat is not the flaw.
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disc View Post
    The truth is that outside of the tank-busters we specifically build VIT for, it has no use.
    Until you take more damage than the tank buster, which does happen because people aren't perfect. You aren't always at 100% health before a mechanic, sometimes people are late with cooldowns, you eat an auto-attack, you get clipped by aoe, the healer thought he could leverage one more attack before dropping clerics, the tank left tank stance off, and so on, and so on.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viviza View Post
    Until you take more damage than the tank buster, which does happen because people aren't perfect.
    No, it does not happen. Ever. Every raid encounter is linear with set values for damage taken. What you are talking about now is operator error. And the only fix, is gettin gud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disc View Post
    No, it does not happen. Ever. Every raid encounter is linear with set values for damage taken. What you are talking about now is operator error. And the only fix, is gettin gud.
    Gittin gud*
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  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disc View Post
    What you are talking about now is operator error. And the only fix, is gettin gud.
    Yes, thank you for correcting me that what I was talking about is what I was talking about. This has been very productive.
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  10. #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viviza View Post
    Yes, thank you for correcting me that what I was talking about is what I was talking about. This has been very productive.
    You act like it's constant unpredictable mayhem while implying that VIT would save you from the reckoning. I'm telling you that wearing an extra VIT ring is not going to save you when you forget to use Sentinel or your SCH miraculously forgets what Adloquium is. Your rant that tanks are against tanky gear is wrong, we just do not have any available to us.
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