DEV REQUEST: Remove cast bars to MCH & BRD

[Yoruichi4478]

Or they could look at how other gaming companies really BUFF w/o nerfing other things and their games still have balance. In TERA when archer and some other jobs got buffed so they wouldn't be lesser dps and in some cases a joke to play because of output, they didn't punish the playerbase by nerfing other things and yet the game still retained its balance up until I stopped playing to start back again with ffxiv. Why do brd and mch have to be punished for being ranged when some other gaming companies don't do that and yet their games retain balance? Just a thought.

[Yoruichi4478]

I stated my opinion, doesn't make me wrong, so you can't say that. You stated yours doesn't make you wrong or right either, that's why they're opinions. Should look the word opinion up sometime.

[Yoruichi4478]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

[Yoruichi4478]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

So doing physical damage doesn't make you a physical dps? o.O

I've been living a lie!

[Ashkendor]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

The only thing I'm serious about right now is the fact that you need to learn how to multiquote. :3

Or, y'know, even quote at all in 95% of your replies.

[Dawnshade]

I stated my opinion, doesn't make me wrong, so you can't say that. You stated yours doesn't make you wrong or right either, that's why they're opinions. Should look the word opinion up sometime.

I'm sorry if you thought I was saying your opinion was wrong. D: I appreciate your suggestion to make my game time more enjoyable though! It's just I wanted to state my opinion about how I feel the two are different to justify why I didn't consider playing BLM or SMN.

Or they could look at how other gaming companies really BUFF w/o nerfing other things and their games still have balance. In TERA when archer and some other jobs got buffed so they wouldn't be lesser dps and in some cases a joke to play because of output, they didn't punish the playerbase by nerfing other things and yet the game still retained its balance up until I stopped playing to start back again with ffxiv. Why do brd and mch have to be punished for being ranged when some other gaming companies don't do that and yet their games retain balance? Just a thought.

Gotta agree on the damage output though. Bard doesn't feel too far off but what I've experience playing MCH so far (didn't max yet so my thoughts on it could be off) but I'm feeling pretty underwelmed about it. Not sure why they're lower though. Assuming either they're needing a buff or it was intended that way since they still have the option to turn off the stance if you need to attack on the move (plus the buffs they can provide to the party similar to the WHM/SCH vs AST thing). Or a mix of all that. Ooor maybe it actually is WM/GB but I'm too biaised to see it since I'm drooling all over the playstyle XP

[FoxyAreku]

You don't even notice the cast times on machinist for the most part since you skip them entirely if you proc. Poor bards though~

[Yoruichi4478]

TERA archer charging skills for potency depending on how long you hold it down or until it maxed out and still being able to move while doing so vs FFXIV bard with a caster bar that interrupts and no actual charging bar just a constant reminder of what they've done to the job.

In a interview a while back Yoshi-p discussed the reason behind the cast bar was to prevent BRD and MCH from having both High Mobility and High Damage at the same time. It was the exchange for higher damage being MCH and BRD mobility but of course people are not happy about it for different reasons but mostly for losing their high mobility while some were just mad they can't have both high mobility and high damage.

Players have ask for higher damage for BRD but they never ask the question "What will be the price for that higher damage?"

[Erim-Nelhah]

You know, IMO I think SE sent a pretty clear message with BRD/MCH: Ranged mobile DPS must be significantly lower than a ranged "turret" (or semi-turret). Define significantly? At least 15% lower (by the numbers). At least. If SE takes away WM, bards are gonna get their DPS kicked in the teeth. Same for GB and MCH. That is why WM/GB is here to stay. Do I agree with it? Not particularly, but I'm not the one that makes those decisions.

--Erim Nelhah

[AskaRay]

Gotta agree on the damage output though. Bard doesn't feel too far off but what I've experience playing MCH so far (didn't max yet so my thoughts on it could be off) but I'm feeling pretty underwelmed about it. Not sure why it's lower though. Assuming either they're needing a buff or it was intended that way since they still have the option to turn off the stance if you need to attack on the move (plus the buffs they can provide to the party similar to the WHM/SCH vs AST thing). Or a mix of all that. Ooor maybe it actually is WM/GB but I'm too biaised to see it since I'm drooling all over the playstyle XP

To be fair I also didn't feel the power of MCH till I hit around fifty four.. hitting sixty and I was able to feel a nice "oomph".