DEV REQUEST: Remove cast bars to MCH & BRD

[AzraelX]

People play physical classes b/c thy don't want cast time bars and don't want to be casters.
That's not a matter of efficiency, bard can have a decent dps and are pretty useful still, but a matter of playstyle

Variety, create fun, and allows people to find a job with a playstyle, with a rotation and look and feel they enjoy. Wanderer's Minuet has altered the bard playstyle and as such is big mistake.

Every people saying "The bard are fine" are focused on effectiveness.

Changing MCh & BRD into casters with caster bars has to go. Why do these classes need cast times post 50 when lv1-50 BRD & MCH were doing fine without them. Now finding a BRD/MCh for statics post 60 is a chore since many have abandoned the job and or the game all together.
This needs to be addressed.

I find it hard to Believe that thee is NO WAY to remove cast times+ auto attacks+ decrease potency = same damage as we do now & retained flavor/ play style of the job

If anyone agrees please liked this post and/or comment below. With 3.1 being pushed til November should give Devs extra time to consider these changes and/or implement them in 3.1

[Ashkendor]

Didn't you know? FFXIV has four mages now.

White Mage
Black Mage
Bow Mage
Gun Mage

:3

Honestly? I wouldn't expect to see WM/GB go anywhere anytime soon no matter how many threads you spam about it. *shrug*

[Yoruichi4478]

Then technically we have no physical dps classes if all have cast bars.

[Ashkendor]

Then technically we have no physical dps classes if all have cast bars.

So doing physical damage doesn't make you a physical dps? o.O

I've been living a lie!

[Yoruichi4478]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

[Yoruichi4478]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

So doing physical damage doesn't make you a physical dps? o.O

I've been living a lie!

[Ashkendor]

Wow, you obviously need to rethink your response and realise I wasn't being serious genius.

The only thing I'm serious about right now is the fact that you need to learn how to multiquote. :3

Or, y'know, even quote at all in 95% of your replies.

[RiceisNice]

People play physical classes b/c thy don't want cast time bars and don't want to be casters.

Changing MCh & BRD into casters with caster bars has to go. Why do these classes need cast times post 50 when lv1-50 BRD & MCH were doing fine without them. Now finding a BRD/MCh for statics post 60 is a chore since many have abandoned the job and or the game all together.
This needs to be addressed.

If anyone agrees please liked this post and/or comment below. With 3.1 being pushed til November should give Devs extra time to consider these changes and/or implement them in 3.1

WM/GB is here to stay. Though I don't mind them changing teh funtionality behind it or the job itself (specifically bard) so that cast times do work with their toolkit.

[AzraelX]

WM/GB is here to stay. Though I don't mind them changing teh funtionality behind it or the job itself (specifically bard) so that cast times do work with their toolkit.

I hate when people say it is here to stay...look what changes were made to AST to make it viable...look at changes to SMN..look at changes to DRG's magic defense. We play this game, we pay for it, they said they want our feedback and want to create jobs that people enjoy.

So I believe it is not here to stay unless we don't let our voices be heard

[RiceisNice]

I hate when people say it is here to stay...look what changes were made to AST to make it viable...look at changes to SMN..look at changes to DRG's magic defense. We play this game, we pay for it, they said they want our feedback and want to create jobs that people enjoy.

So I believe it is not here to stay unless we don't let our voices be heard

Where did they changed the fundamentals of AST? It was mostly potency and % changes, not direct changes to their healing mechanics. Their abilties like nocturnal and diurnal sect both work exactly the same as well as the concept of cards. Same with DRG when they straight up buffed their magic defense and removing hard requirement on postionals (Which already existed on monk so they weren't exactly inventing teh wheel or sliced bread either). SMN's changes came with the expansion just as much as any other job, more so than others.

Bard needs something to stand itself out from their 2.0 counterpart. I even agree that WM fails at that, but thats why they'd need to change the functionality of WM so it can do both that and make the job work (because it currently does when the concept of cast times do not work with their 2.0 tool kit)\

The matter of fact is, objectively speaking bard and machinist works as a dps job. That is not to say that they (espesically bard) could use some adjustments to play better from a QoL so that WM would work better as an addition to the job rather than being slapped on as a carbon copy of what was supposed to be MCH's skill.