Lets nerf WAR :D

[JohnMccain]

Just saw a video of A3S 7man done with 2xWAR. Anybody who thinks Warrior isn't an overpowered monstrosity is delusional.

Did you even bother looking at the parse? Their tank dps was the same or not less than any other top tier groups using different comps. No, I think it is the other way around. Clearly you are a delusional PLD. You keep insisting that WAR is overpowered, yet there are DRKs out there that are doing around the same amount of damage(given they have the slashing debuff). Hey so I guess since WAR should receive a nerf, DRK should as well so that they are both in line with PLD?

[Kaisersoke]

Did you even bother looking at the parse? Their tank dps was the same or not less than any other top tier groups using different comps. No, I think it is the other way around. Clearly you are a delusional PLD. You keep insisting that WAR is overpowered, yet there are DRKs out there that are doing around the same amount of damage(given they have the slashing debuff). Hey so I guess since WAR should receive a nerf, DRK should as well so that they are both in line with PLD?

warrior doesnt have to depend on another class to consistently be better than other tanks. i doubt this information is very accurate regardless though, warrior easily out damages drk out of tankstance, in any and every situation, which is why its the default offtank for literally every endgame raid group. even if drk WAS as good as war out of tankstance, it wouldnt edge warrior out of a raid spot purely on the utility warrior brings with storms path/storms eye.

[Tyrial]

warrior doesnt have to depend on another class to consistently be better than other tanks. i doubt this information is very accurate regardless though, warrior easily out damages drk out of tankstance, in any and every situation, which is why its the default offtank for literally every endgame raid group. even if drk WAS as good as war out of tankstance, it wouldnt edge warrior out of a raid spot purely on the utility warrior brings with storms path/storms eye.

Funny...because certain people in this thread get their panties in a bunch when anything remotely close to taking Reprisal and changing it so as not to require a parry is mentioned.

Slashing comes from two sources. Damage reduction comes from two sources. INT reduction comes from two sources. I fail to see how WAR is the issue. WAR has perfect synergy with the kit it was given, that's not our fault. If the Devs feel WAR needs a nerf then so be it, I won't be on the forums complaining about it in countless threads. But I don't see why anyone is on here practically demanding that a job get nerfed just because the one they picked instead is suffering. Did you guys go around and break all the toys on the playground when yours broke?

Most of the people in these threads probably don't even do Savage (the only place where it currently matters what DPS/Utility a job brings) and it's nothing more than bandwagon bitching.

[NFaelivrin]

Did you even bother looking at the parse? Their tank dps was the same or not less than any other top tier groups using different comps. No, I think it is the other way around. Clearly you are a delusional PLD. You keep insisting that WAR is overpowered, yet there are DRKs out there that are doing around the same amount of damage(given they have the slashing debuff). Hey so I guess since WAR should receive a nerf, DRK should as well so that they are both in line with PLD?

(given they have the slashing debuff).

You just answered your own question. But I'll elaborate: It's an overall raid DPS loss for anybody but a WAR to provide the slashing debuff. You do seem to have taken it incredibly personally that I pointed out that Warrior is so powerful that 2xWAR is so viable as to 7man A3S with it and not even care about LB penalty from stacking classes. Maybe one day people in this forum will stop taking suggestions of nerfs to their main class as personal offenses to their honor. Haha who am I kidding, some people base their entire self-worth on the class they play in a videogame.

[kensatsu]

so if i understand what you say you want every tank to get the slashing debuff or you want the war don't slashing debuff anymore, so you want dragoon don't piersing debuff anymore and ninja don't slashing debuff anymore , just because you don't want any class to have group buff, because you want every class is doing the same.
I would be glad the dark and the pld got a other debuff. instead or remove this one
What you point is right why pld and dark have one debuff, when war have 2. but here is more Up the dark and pld purpose and not nerfing the war

[NFaelivrin]

so if i understand what you say you want every tank to get the slashing debuff or you want the war don't slashing debuff anymore, so you want dragoon don't piersing debuff anymore and ninja don't slashing debuff anymore , just because you don't want any class to have group buff, because you want every class is doing the same.
I would be glad the dark and the pld got a other debuff. instead or remove this one

No, what I'm saying is that Warrior is the only tank in the game with a kit so lacking in weaknesses that it doesn't need any outside support in order to reach its maximum potential besides a healer. While PLD and DRK require outside help in the form of the slashing debuff, and in the case of PLD, might even need NIN Shadewalker in order to hold aggro in Sword Oath without relying on Halone spam (a major DPS loss vs. Royal Authority spam), Warrior can basically waltz into any raid composition and fit perfectly, it doesn't become weaker if another class is missing, it doesn't even need outside sources of TP restore very much because it can restore its own TP and has the lowest single target TP consumption of any class that actually uses this resource, so while PLD and DRKs reach the 3 minute mark screaming for Goad, need somebody to provide slashing debuff for them, might in the case of PLD require outside assistance with aggro to maximize their DPS, etc. WAR can basically function independently. Nevermind the fact that WAR is so strong its practically mandatory for any half-serious raid statics. The class is overpowered and while one might disagree on how to fix this, the unwillingness to acknowledge this from people who play it is pitiful to behold.

[RapBreon]

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To be fair, this is not a problem exclusive to DRKs and PLDs. MCHs/BRDs, BLMs/SMNs are kind of in a similar boat.

[JohnMccain]

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How did I take offense???? There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and feeling insulted. I am sorry my post came out too harsh for you.

Huh? How does being able to take 2 of a job in an over geared scenario make it overpowered? Their tanks' combined dps was already lower than a lot of DRK/WAR comps. MNK/MNK and DRG/DRG are viable so I guess that makes them overpowered? And I am not denying WAR brings a lot to the raid, but you have to look at their weakness clouded by how savage is designed. Their tanking stance is still significantly worse than DRK. Blame level design rather than the job for letting tanks tank out of tank stance a good chunk of the encounter.