Lets nerf WAR :D

[Kaisersoke]

nobody said it was your fault the war kit is so strong, i dont know where youre getting that from, nobody is demanding warrior be nerfed either, last i checked this was a forum for the discussion of ideas, and this thread happens to be discussing how much stronger warrior is than other tanks. the amount of different classes that provide those utilities is also irrelevant. warrior allows you to bring a monk to forego slashing from ninja, warrior has incredible uptime on storms path for damage, whereas reprisals uptime is pathetic by comparison. its about the utility and dps warriors bring compared to their peers.

instead of just mindlessly complaining about someone elses opinions, perhaps you should open your mind to the realities of how much warrior outclasses the two other tanks in several areas. if only the other two "toys" were as broken as warrior, then perhaps it wouldnt stand out so much.

mind you, i dont main tanks, ive always dps'd and healed, and without bias, id prefer tanks to be balanced and have their own strengths and weaknesses, whereas it seems you just want your toy to have nothing but a list of strengths, and thats understandable. but its not fair, to the warriors who enjoy the job they play and are missing out on raid spots because of the mass exodus of players abandoning paladin to play warrior, to the paladin players who had to switch to drk/war because their class is gimped. hell its not even fair that drk is the end all, be all for main tanking, and the fact that you acknowledge this current meta and only see suggestions as personal attacks on your job being a problem, show an underlying issue with your willingness to sacrifice overbearing personal strength for the sake of a fun, diverse endgame

edit: after checking your lodestone and seeing that the only class you extensively play is warrior, i understand why youre so opposed to the idea that your job is too strong, but before you continue, i suggest you finish leveling paladin, and come back after youve had more of an outside perspective. try doing savage as paladin, youll almost certainly come back with a different opinion, and im not saying youll want warrior nerfed, im saying you will understand why so many people are asking for a more balanced meta for tanks.

[Tyrial]

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It doesn't matter what WAR allows you to do in terms of a party comp, the point I was making is that the utility that a WAR brings is available from other sources as well. If DRK and PLD were on par with WAR in other areas then there would be no issues. The fact is that WAR pulls more DPS and brings multiple essential utilities all in one package. I've already admitted this. But it doesn't change the fact that asking for nerfs is dumb. You don't reduce the effectiveness of something just to make it as effective as it's counterpart. As for the comments from people about buffing PLD and DRK to equal WAR would break raiding...well I guess SE would have to design better raids then instead of putting in BS DPS checks just to artificially block progression.

And to be perfectly honest, I miss the days of tanks being tanks, not having to worry about how much DPS they're pulling. Gameplay should be more engaging to the point where the actual challenge of tanking comes from properly managing CDs to keep yourself alive not knowing when to use a CD so that you can sit in your DPS stance for longer.

edit: after checking your lodestone and seeing that the only class you extensively play is warrior, i understand why youre so opposed to the idea that your job is too strong, but before you continue, i suggest you finish leveling paladin, and come back after youve had more of an outside perspective. try doing savage as paladin, youll almost certainly come back with a different opinion, and im not saying youll want warrior nerfed, im saying you will understand why so many people are asking for a more balanced meta for tanks.

You're assuming that based on the fact that WAR is currently my only 60 tank class that that's all I play. I mained PLD from Beta until the end of 2.x when my Raid group required me to switch to WAR. I've cleared all pre-HW content in the game as both PLD and WAR. I understand just how lackluster it plays in Savage as my co-tank started Savage as a PLD and ended up switching to DRK because it just wasn't working. PLD isn't 60 yet because I honestly just haven't gotten around to it. I've been spending my non-raid time helping people in my FC and leveling DRK because I find the play to be more enjoyable than PLD.

I want balance as well, but I don't want to see classes nerfed to achieve that. I'd feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot and it was WAR that was being excluded. WAR is in a perfect place right now, adjustments needs to be made to PLD and DRK to bring them to that same happy place.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

nobody is demanding warrior be nerfed either, .

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. This thread is literally called "Lets nerf WAR "

[Kaisersoke]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. This thread is literally called "Lets nerf WAR "

and inside the thread are several suggestions. suggestions. perhaps you should reread the main post and fully comprehend what the thread was made for, "to counter the buff pld" threads. Lollllllllllllll

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

and inside the thread are several suggestions. suggestions. perhaps you should reread the main post and fully comprehend what the thread was made for, "to counter the buff pld" threads. Lollllllllllllll

Regardless of what the thread was made for, its still suggesting, calling for, asking for, discussing, theorizing about—whatever you want to call it—Warrior Nerfs and how they would affect tank balance. There's no denying that as a fact.

#ClickBait

[Kaisersoke]

Regardless of what the thread was made for, its still suggesting, calling for, asking for, discussing, theorizing about—whatever you want to call it—Warrior Nerfs and how they would affect tank balance. There's no denying that as a fact.

#ClickBait

#hashtagsmakemeright
its a discussion, please return to the original post and reread it. nobody is saying it isnt about nerfing warrior, because it is, because they outshine their peers, and if the limit break gauge didnt slow down upon stacking classes, i guarantee you people would be taking double warrior.

#youneedtoread #theseservenopurposehere #theyreratherpretentious

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

nobody is demanding warrior be nerfed either,

nobody is saying it isnt about nerfing warrior, because it is,

Now I'm all confused man. Are we or are we not talking about nerfs!

Anyway, I don't want to argue about a bunch of he-say-she-say stuff. I thought it was funny when I read "nobody is demanding warrior be nerfed" in a thread titled "lets nerf warrior".

I do however have a potentially interesting Question: Should any tank be able to reach their maximum potential damage without the assistance of another party member i.e. should ANY tank class be given a slashing debuff or should it be exclusive to Ninja?


edit: I personally wonder how dramatically that would affect the tank meta. Of course ninjas would find themselves in every raid group until the end of time if they were the only ones with a slashing debuff but PLD/DRK would start seeming like a more interesting appealing composition.

p.s. I'm super excited for the 3.1 patch notes. I want to see what SE is cooking up for us lol.

[giantslayer]

I do however have a potentially interesting Question: Should any tank be able to reach their maximum potential damage without the assistance of another party member i.e. should ANY tank class be given a slashing debuff or should it be exclusive to Ninja?

Not if they are going to also have the highest DPS. From a design standpoint, a class that relies on another class for a buff should have a higher potential with the buff than one that is self-sufficient, otherwise people will play the self-sufficient class if it is better.

Now one idea that intrigues me... What if they put the slashing debuff on Royal Authority and changed WAR's ability to give a debuff to help another class?