Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[Jonnycbad]

The best we were all getting was about 1315ish at ilvl 200+.

I get about 1285 as i194 without food or pots, but I only parse for about 3 minutes. The longer you parse, the less your DPS is for a number of reasons, human error, longer time from opener is less DPS too since opener is a huge ass DPS burst. If he parsed for maybe 90 seconds, it's possible...either that or he used potion/food and maybe Mercy Stroke XD

[Valkyrie-Amber]

now a il193+ drg that cant do a 1.3k dps on 3 dummy's in a strait line X X X <rear solo needs to improve even playing like 70% efficient could do 1.26k drunk missing most positional. no food no pots no party just optimal rotation. read drg thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-DPS-Paradigm

and yep my tests are done on a jp server masamune at 167 to 194ms ping. learn to play if you cant hit stationary targets course tank parse tank was positioned X X (pld) X so circle of scorn hit all dummy's.

[Judge_Xero]

But.....70% effeciency and still doing 1260 dps means 100% is 1800. Are you exaggerating just a little or no?

[RapBreon]

now a il193+ drg that cant do a 1.3k dps on 3 dummy's in a strait line X X X <rear solo needs to improve even playing like 70% efficient could do 1.26k drunk missing most positional. no food no pots no party just optimal rotation. read drg thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-DPS-Paradigm

and yep my tests are done on a jp server masamune at 167 to 194ms ping. learn to play if you cant hit stationary targets course tank parse tank was positioned X X (pld) X so circle of scorn hit all dummy's.

Then I have but only one thing to say to you.

You are easily the best player I have EVER met. I would be HONOURED to wash your feet. Fuck, I'm pretty sure the entire thread you just linked would line up for your secret sauce!

now a il193+ drg that cant do a 1.3k dps on 3 dummy's in a strait line

How did this slip my attention!

But.....70% effeciency and still doing 1260 dps means 100% is 1800. Are you exaggerating just a little or no?

*Gasp* how...dare you!

DRAGOONS! PROTECT YOUR MASTER!

*Sub-optimal Dragon Fire Dive!*

[Valkyrie-Amber]

I love how fools don't take ping into calculation each 100 is like 10% efficiency loss So even performing optimally I would have been 84% at best, yeah maybe I was lieing a tiny bit about 70% but already 10% every second efficiency loss so would have been like 1.44k with party but the idea in solo dummy parses is to factor in team benefits and possible debuffs after and yep that's how all the first server clears were done they did their homework on optimizing their stats and rotations.

No were getting pld clears that first one was like 2 weeks after first clears cause people fighting for first clears worked out the optimal formations that have resulted in even if pld can clear stuff now its sub optimal and requires all other raid people to be better geared than the server first clear groups and no they weren't we will take a class suboptimal to beat the rest course then some groups decided to try clear it with pld to pretend their formation beats server first best formations.

The reason people took pld were to try and make a name for themselves taking a suboptimal class and yes for the average people that's fine but their ar many alite raid groups out there that go by time is money and need max efficiency clears and they are more than the minor 10% population se mentions.

Now please all you trolls get your research and facts correct before saying a class better geared than the first server cleared classes is balanced.

[Nadirah]

Because using aoe(multiple targets) gets you an accurate parse when simulating boss fights on a dummy.

Right.

[Zdenka]

650? wow, nice. you had melded gear and were stance dancing correct?

Basically to o optimize all parts of the fight, I tanked the entire first section in Shield Oath which allowed the WHM to solo heal and the SCH to just DPS for the first 3 minutes. We tried Sword Oath but the threat was too poor; even using Halone ender's for 60-70% of the combo's I still lost threat around the first knock back. Maybe woulda been fine if the SCH healed more but our SCH ended the first section of the fight at 700-800 DPS, so me sitting in Shield Oath to let that happen was worth it.

Adds: Rampart/Shield Oath first tether, swap to Sword Oath and then Sentinel the 2nd one. I tanked the first section in Sword Oath, which was fine because the WHM had used Shroud so threat was fine. (cleaves in Sword Oath were Shelltron, Bulwark, Rampart overlapping 3+4, and Shelltron could get the 4th also). That also saved a GCD from switching during the tank swap. I used 2 stuns on the hand (stun -> goring blade combo -> stun -> RA's), then took it back in shield oath for the tether/ball section. Healing always seemed very tight at times during the 3rd type of whirlpool phase so I never tried to sword oath there... rest of fight = sword oath not taking, shield oath tanking. The 2nd hallowed ground of the fight used for the 2nd tether in the 6th whirlpool phase (we used Hallowed to single tank the first cleaves for the first hand). I think the first tether usually had both Sentinel+Rampart ready, so shield oath wasn't required there either. Oh fun tip people probably know/figured out since then but Tempered will lets you just run through those protean waves to pick up the tether, fun times.

As far as gear, I bought Hauteclair since you could get it the 2nd week, and then I believe for the kill I used.... 3 melded accessories and 2 STR accessories. My lodestone profiled showed all 5 melded after the kill, we noticed some JP posts saying I was lucky I didn't just randomly die during the fight (wonder if it would blow their minds if they knew I didn't use all 5). And then some others that said Hauteclaire was cheating lol, but it probably only added 10-15 DPS for PLD but that was enough to net us the kill so it was worth it.

I'm interested to see the 3.1 PLD changes, one of their largest disadvantages right now is the stance dancing, its by far the worst of the 3 tanks. If they switched those to offglobals or allowed you to keep your place in the combo while switching PLD would be a lot stronger in a fight such as A4S. PLD felt very natural in A3S to me, but extremely clunky in A4S. I guess its worth noting I tried PLD in A4S right when we started for like... a day. I switched to DRK, not really knowing anything about how to optimize it and was doing over 200 more DPS every attempt than I was doing on PLD, and the scariest part back then on PLD... the quarentine, was completely trivialized by Dark Arts Dark Dance, dodge those paunzerfausts all day, i'd use it on the big dolls too, dodge the kauzstrals or cleaves or whatever is really awesome.

[RapBreon]

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I have a question. How come you never had the WAR Berserk and build a threat lead for you to provoke off? Was it too finicky, a DPS loss or just not a substantial enough lead?

We tried this it didn't work so well for us. But we couldn't really come up with a definitive answer (though we had suspicions). Curious to hear your perspective.

[Synestra]

I love how fools don't take ping into calculation each 100 is like 10% efficiency loss

Sorry for off-topic but ping is actually a reason why our melee DD ditched DRG untill EU data-centers comes, he simply couldnt pull that optimal DRG opening rotation due lag and he also ecountered similiar problem with NIN's mudra lag. So MNK is really only melee DD he can play for maximum potential atm as it doesnt suffer from lag that bad compared to DRG/NIN.

[Nadirah]

Sorry for off-topic but ping is actually a reason why our melee DD ditched DRG untill EU data-centers comes, he simply couldnt pull that optimal DRG opening rotation due lag and he also ecountered similiar problem with NIN's mudra lag. So MNK is really only melee DD he can play for maximum potential atm as it doesnt suffer from lag that bad compared to DRG/NIN.

I get crappy mudra lag and I'm *in* NA.

Any other game, East Coast servers: 70s or better.

FFXIV East Coast server: 140 ms on a good day.

Wat.