Yoshi P's Stance on Pld

[RapBreon]

A paladin cleared a3s soon after the world first when even the devs weren't expecting it to be cleared that early. Eeep that was me; though honestly I only stuck with PLD because we were so many attempts (600+?) on A3S that changing to DRK and optimizing a DPS and cool down rotation would have taken several days when the DPS was just that tight. I actually ended up doing 650 DPS on our kill, which is around what the DRKs in the other first week (well first week it was cleared) ended at IIRC so the difference wasn't actually that great, but obviously it was enough for us to take longer also considering we didn't use a DRG either.

Basically, if we had thought to switch to DRK/DRG instead of PLD/MNK maybe a week earlier we probably would have done it.

And then I switched to DRK for A4S, because that entire fight is just designed around DRK tanking. =/

Hopefully this post isn't overlooked. It really helps shed light on the other variables that were keeping PLD from being represented in more kills (aka more than DPS).

[Valkyrie-Amber]

yep it depends if you find a friendly static that don't mind carrying a lackluster pld cause main issue is many healers don't try to dps at all which with a dark war or war war they don't even have to attack and still clear it 1 min faster.

Any clear done with pld were cause everyone were dpsing and didn't mind taking a minute longer to try to prove this fake point.

My pld 3 dummy's solo sword oath is 1k dps same targets same il193 im sure a drk would do 200 war 300 more only using dps combos skipping the pld enmity roh one.

[RapBreon]

yep it depends if you find a friendly static that don't mind carrying a lackluster pld cause main issue is many healers don't try to dps at all which with a dark war or war war they don't even have to attack and still clear it 1 min faster.

Any clear done with pld were cause everyone were dpsing and didn't mind taking a minute longer to try to prove this fake point.

My pld 3 dummy's solo sword oath is 1k dps same targets same il193 im sure a drk would do 200 war 300 more only using dps combos skipping the pld enmity roh one.

WARs parse higher than DRGs and MNKs on dummies? Holy shit I need to speak with my Warrior.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

3 training dummy's try it wars is a dps tank class hybrid and that's kind of proven by now. darks are midrange kind of like bards in dps. and all classes hit better than a pld if all same ilevel.

Also my drg il193 does 1.3k min on dummy's even if I fail its rotations a few times if you don't then you need to relearn how to drg and also don't forget dummy's are a bad test in real dutys but do show the example of the off tank imbalance. like pld 100% to a drk like 85% to a war 80% efficiently playing would mean same kind of dps. far worse on pld if done tests as all 3 main tank modes but cant main tank effectively on dummy's so useless to test.

also im mentioning from the imbalance as an off tank if pld main tanked remove like 300+ to 400 if single target off that min as shield oath is kind of a 30% dps loss cause auto attacks make up a lot on pld.

[RapBreon]

3 training dummy's try it wars is a dps tank class hybrid and that's kind of proven by now. darks are midrange kind of like bards in dps. and all classes hit better than a pld if all same ilevel.

Also my drg il193 does 1.3k min on dummy's even if I fail its rotations a few times if you don't then you need to relearn how to drg and also don't forget dummy's are a bad test in real dutys but do show the example of the off tank imbalance. like pld 100% to a drk like 85% to a war 80% efficiently playing would mean same kind of dps. far worse on pld if done tests as all 3 main tank modes but cant main tank effectively on dummy's so useless to test.

also im mentioning from the imbalance as an off tank if pld main tanked remove like 300+ to 400 if single target off that min as shield oath is kind of a 30% dps loss cause auto attacks make up a lot on pld.

1.3k minimum on a dummy at ilvl 193? Holy shit, maybe you should be writing the Dragoon guide, not Dervy/Thendiel!

The best we were all getting was about 1315ish at ilvl 200+. Teach us your ways! As long as your ways don't include; food, party buff, pots and parsing for like...30 seconds.

Also every WAR must suck, because I never see them do as much damage as a DPS...goddamn WARs, stop sucking the donger!

[Snowy_Mist]

The best we were all getting was about 1315ish at ilvl 200+. Teach us your ways! As long as your ways don't include; food, party buff, pots and parsing for like...30 seconds.!

To be fair on their part Dervy did a post on his dps compared to a monk of similar item levels at 195 no food pot etc and he got a tad over 1.3k.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...lh61?context=3

[Kaisinel]

Yeah aion was annoying I played maybe 5 months? Lol

[RapBreon]

To be fair on their part Dervy did a post on his dps compared to a monk of similar item levels at 195 no food pot etc and he got a tad over 1.3k.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...lh61?context=3

Higher than I would've expected; but it fulfills a few conditions that Valkyrie seems to take for granted. Perfect play + good luck. Certainly not the standard or the conditions described by the above.

[Leonus]

To be fair on their part Dervy did a post on his dps compared to a monk of similar item levels at 195 no food pot etc and he got a tad over 1.3k.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...lh61?context=3

I believe ge stated that both the mnk and his parse were "cherry picked" as the highest they both did out the same number of dummy parses. So, I do not believe 1.3k was the "norm" at I lvl 192.

[Tadus]

A paladin cleared a3s soon after the world first when even the devs weren't expecting it to be cleared that early. Eeep that was me; though honestly I only stuck with PLD because we were so many attempts (600+?) on A3S that changing to DRK and optimizing a DPS and cool down rotation would have taken several days when the DPS was just that tight. I actually ended up doing 650 DPS on our kill, which is around what the DRKs in the other first week (well first week it was cleared) ended at IIRC so the difference wasn't actually that great, but obviously it was enough for us to take longer also considering we didn't use a DRG either.

Basically, if we had thought to switch to DRK/DRG instead of PLD/MNK maybe a week earlier we probably would have done it.

And then I switched to DRK for A4S, because that entire fight is just designed around DRK tanking. =/

650? wow, nice. you had melded gear and were stance dancing correct?