What is a BAD player?

[Moonleg]

if you have time to do relics, leveling, crafting or whatever else, you have time to raid.

I can sit down and craft for ten minutes, get up to tend to RL for ten minutes, then sit back down and resume crafting immediately.

I can run a dungeon for whatever relic part I've gotten to when the time opens up for me, whether that's 4 pm, 7 pm, or 1 am. Same for leveling.

Raiding has a set-in-stone time several evenings of every week that MUST be dedicated to the game no matter what demands the real world has of me.

That's the difference. Does a given player spend a lot of time in the game? Sure. Does that player necessarily spend time in the game at the usual raid times? No.

[LunaHoshino]

Raiding has a set-in-stone time several evenings of every week that MUST be dedicated to the game no matter what demands the real world has of me.

Not necessarily true. My T9 static raided anywhere from one to three times a week for varying lengths of time depending on when people were available. If people couldn't make it on one day, then we didn't raid that day, no big deal. Not every static has a rigid schedule; there are plenty of them out there that are willing to be flexible and work with people.

[Melch]

What?

You're making it too much of a "you raiders" vs "us casuals". Some people like to raid because it's actually challenging and you also meet some smart and nice people there.
You don't like to raid, it's fine. But don't give us the "I don't have time" card.

[Adventica6]

Someone who failed english class or doesn't know what keybinds are for.

There's all kinds of reasons, I think people want to rush to call someone bad because they feel little inside and need to feel larger.

Or it could be that the content is so stale right now that if you aren't a scientist at speed clearing then you are bad, I've even seen tanks votekicked for pulling a bit slow.

There will always be that one pro in the group who is better than everyone, will it be you?

[VargasVermillion]

Not necessarily true. My T9 static raided anywhere from one to three times a week for varying lengths of time depending on when people were available. If people couldn't make it on one day, then we didn't raid that day, no big deal. Not every static has a rigid schedule; there are plenty of them out there that are willing to be flexible and work with people.

Don't necessarily need a static either, I pugged T9 through practice and then clear parties. It all depends on how you use your time, not how much. That's if you are actually trying to do everything at once.

I consider myself a casual even when raiding. I just devoted time to that more than other things in game which really there isn't much else to do anyway, save for crafting or leveling other classes but I have no interest in those atm.

[Fevelle]

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I don't think there are any statics like this on Exodus. To be honest, it's hard enough to find clear parties on PF for EX primals, there's zero parties for Alexander normal drops, and most FC's have closed teams.

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I work on time shift schedules. Sometimes I work in the morning, sometimes I work at night, sometimes I don't work at all. And to make it worse I'm on GMT-3. Do you really think I could form/join a raid team without compromising the party? It's hard enough to play with my RL friends, I could only imagine how much of a pain I would be on a static because of that. Anyway, that has nothing to do with the topic.

About "raiders vs. casuals", maybe it's because some of them were complaining about Alex Normal and now are complaining about the iLV210 equips on Explorations.

[drmambo1999]

You're making it too much of a "you raiders" vs "us casuals". Some people like to raid because it's actually challenging and you also meet some smart and nice people there.
You don't like to raid, it's fine. But don't give us the "I don't have time" card.

I respect both perspectives on this one. I personally used to hate raiding as I used to not like playing with others, but FF14 started me on the raid band wagon. I now love doing ex primals and dungeons and desperately want to get into Alexander. XD I will say that, while time isn't the sole reason preventing players from doing raids, it is indeed a factor. I usually work from 4pm to 12am at my hotel and when I get home is when I hop on to play some ff14. That time period sucks for trying to gather up a party for pretty much anything on my server.

One could say, "oh well play before work." Sure that is an option, but I have to consider other IRL activities and "Do I wanna be awake for that?" XD Basically as I stated above, time is a factor but not the end all reason for some not doing raids. I agree that if said player REALLY wanted it, they could make time, but I don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting to make time for it either. I personally think the game offers plenty to do for the non raider types though.

EDIT: Couple of options for those who want to raid but have trouble being on a the right times, are Link shells and large Fc's. (I need more link shells as my FC is made up of IRL friends. XD)

[jcfoster11]

Or it could be that the content is so stale right now that if you aren't a scientist at speed clearing then you are bad, I've even seen tanks votekicked for pulling a bit slow.

I'm actually dreading this particular point right now. I've made it to Snowcloak in the main scenario, and most of the videos I've watched of it seem to reduce it to 4-5 mass pulls (maybe 6?). Even though my paladin's gear would probably support that (109, mostly quest rewards + a few 115 crafted pieces), I'd think it a bit foolish to attempt on my first time in there. Sure, I could probably heal it (I have white mage at 103), but with my luck, I'd get a tank who pulls the world without telling anyone (though, I like to think I'm somewhat decent at handling tense moments, so maybe that wouldn't be completely bad ...).

As far as bad players, I go with most of the others here and say it's almost completely attitude (which I think refusing to take advice or make an effort to help the group falls under). Give me a well-mannered, attentive group of newbies and I won't care if it takes a few tries to get a fight down.

I also think AV is the devil, but then, I've only been there once ....

[FoxyAreku]

In every game I play I don't really care if the people I play with are bad. It's stupidity I can't stand, and that's what causes me the most inconvienence.

[WingsOfAzrael]

1. new players in farm groups
2. rude people/those who insult others
3. people who dont dodge aoes or ignore mechanics
4. people who dont do the mechanics right after being told multiple times not to
5. the same people making mistakes in a "farm" group
6. people who claim they know the fights or mechanics when they dont
7. people in farm groups who have the law bonus who dont speak up when asked who has the bonus
8. people who refuse to watch videos for raids/trials
9.trolls