More Horizontal Progression please

[karateorangutang]

"Time Sink?" Explain what you mean. If a game is fun and engaging and challenges you. It is not a chore to do. Its fun.

I also am quite offended. I do have a life and am well off thanks to my choices. I am not even in debt and going to college and have ways to make money.

I don't think he meant to offend. I have a very structured life too. Not saying you have less in your life than me but its probably different.

Here's my average day.

Wake up at 430 AM and make breakfast and lunch then drive an hour to work and get there at about 7 am.

I generally work til about 330 then have a hour and half drive home because of afternoon traffic so it's now almost 5 pm. I head to the gym and am generally there til about 630 pm then go home and make dinner so its now 7 pm. I have to get my kid ready for bed at about 8 so its not worth getting online til that point so i generally get on at about 830 pm. I get to play til about 1030 or 11 to make sure I get enough sleep to function.

Giving that I have 2 nights were I can't play at all thats about 15 hours a week or 60 hours a month.

Now the only reason I tell you this is because this game in particular lets me be capable of entering endgame content with these limited time tables. It's pretty awesome.

I really dont think he meant to offend you, but for some reason or another alot of us have limited time to get on and play the game. Not that our time is more valuable than yours.

[Iagainsti]

I wouldn't bare you from doing boring content like Savage. If you want to throw your face at a single monster for little to no reward then go ahead
I guarentee you I spend a lot more money on this game then you do.
This is one of my 3 characters on EQ2


15353 HOURS SPENT "PLAYING" not subscribed not logged out, PLAYING the game.

"Time Sink?" Explain what you mean

What? XD anyway you were saying earlier that content and top tier gear should be for those that put the time in, not casual players. Honestly, I am quite content logging in 3-4 hours a week, clearing a savage boss, doing some pvp, a couple expert roulettes and get my gear thank you, the eff I'd want to dump hours upon hours for the same rewards I received easily.
If you like to dump that much time into a game, find one that better suits you, or eff it, get paid for it by making your own instead of trying to argue this game needs it.

[karateorangutang]

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Let me rephrase failure then. It's a failure in the current market.

The forumla works. That the same thing as saying a movie staring batman that only has 300 k of funding will be a success. There are more variables at work then just the type of game.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

What? XD anyway you were saying earlier that content and top tier gear should be for those that put the time in, not casual players. Honestly, I am quite content logging in 3-4 hours a week, clearing a savage boss, doing some pvp, a couple expert roulettes and get my gear thank you, the eff I'd want to dump hours upon hours for the same rewards I received easily.
If you like to dump that much time into a game, find one that better suits you, or eff it, get paid for it by making your own instead of trying to argue this game needs it.

Yes, and I find that extremely boring.

I don't think this game does need it. This game is way too much like other games. FFXIV, is just taking things from other games and polishing it. The reason I play mostly now is just the role-play. Which.. really is bad.

FFXIV cannot change. Nore will it. Nore do the developers of it need to change it. Its an "Ok" game.

I should not change the fun of someone else for my own. You find it fun, people find it fun. So it shouldn't change.

And there you are with the inflammatory speech. Please understand that I'm being respectful to you and if there's misinterpretation here, I apologize.

You're showing levels of playing that could be considered unhealthy, actually. Again, playing games obsessively, which could be the impression shown by your hours, may not be an indicator that you are the type of person the developers should appeal to, but rather of the habitual levels of the game that fall outside the target audience, so please, keep that in mind.

Playing games 'a whole lot' also does not make you an expert in game design. A person who play games a little, and still feels accomplished and entertained can be even more knowledgeable than someone who spends the great majority of their life on games. You toting around your playtime on games actually seems to display a lack of understanding of this concept. As does your "Opinions are facts to me." debate. Please note, this is an impression, not saying that this is a fact. I'm cautioning you about what you are expressing in hopes of directing the conversation along a more constructive path.

You have to understand that games are not designed around the individual consumer, but around a set target audience. It is up to you to come to the understanding of whether or not you fit within this target for each individual game, provide respectful feedback. based on your impressions, and then, if not met, seek different sources of entertainment.

I would also contest that any of the content outside of content that is overpopulated, out-leveled or out-geared could ever be zerged - that any piece of. In this case I think you are mistaking zerging with a fight that has been reduced to an understandable routine.

Since I typed out 4 big paragraphs and they were lost to the void due to forum limit... I will have to make due with shortened versions.

Whilst it seems unhealthy. Not letting your mind absorb new challenges, and not constantly learning is also unhealthy. However, I have not avoided my life at all. I have a good life and i'm happy, with no debts.

Not learning new things and not challenging your mind is also very unhealthy. Doing the same thing over and over is also unhealthy.

Many "Experts" who claim they know what gamers and video gamers want barely have the experience I have had. You can claim you have intelligence and knowledge to it. However I have "experience". I know for a fact what me and the people who I played with like and dislike.

Many "Gamers" today, only have ate apple pie, but have never dipped or tasted grape pie. This is an example and meaning, because they have never had content like that before in a game where lots of people were involved. They never experienced it.

Yes, the topic has been turning bad as you say. Sorry.

However, you can't tell me its that niche. Indeed you have to make a game that everyone enjoys. However if they never experienced a way to play, you can't just say that way will never work because they never tried it.

Many MANY people love Pizza, but what if nobody ever ate it or tried it? It wouldn't be very popular at all!

[Hyrist]

Showing your experience in playing and knowing video games is discouraging. I see.

My Opinions are facts to me I mean they are "my" opinions, less you find zerging a boss fun. Seems to be the trend these days.

Maybe i'm wrong, maybe Zerging is really fun, and that is why its popular.

And there you are with the inflammatory speech. Please understand that I'm being respectful to you and if there's misinterpretation here, I apologize.

You're showing levels of playing that could be considered unhealthy, actually. Again, playing games obsessively, which could be the impression shown by your hours, may not be an indicator that you are the type of person the developers should appeal to, but rather of the habitual levels of the game that fall outside the target audience, so please, keep that in mind.

Playing games 'a whole lot' also does not make you an expert in game design. A person who play games a little, and still feels accomplished and entertained can be even more knowledgeable than someone who spends the great majority of their life on games. You toting around your playtime on games actually seems to display a lack of understanding of this concept. As does your "Opinions are facts to me." debate. Please note, this is an impression, not saying that this is a fact. I'm cautioning you about what you are expressing in hopes of directing the conversation along a more constructive path.

You have to understand that games are not designed around the individual consumer, but around a set target audience. It is up to you to come to the understanding of whether or not you fit within this target for each individual game, provide respectful feedback. based on your impressions, and then, if not met, seek different sources of entertainment.

I would also contest that any of the content outside of content that is overpopulated, out-leveled or out-geared could ever be zerged - that any piece of. In this case I think you are mistaking zerging with a fight that has been reduced to an understandable routine.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

What? XD anyway you were saying earlier that content and top tier gear should be for those that put the time in, not casual players. Honestly, I am quite content logging in 3-4 hours a week, clearing a savage boss, doing some pvp, a couple expert roulettes and get my gear thank you, the eff I'd want to dump hours upon hours for the same rewards I received easily.
If you like to dump that much time into a game, find one that better suits you, or eff it, get paid for it by making your own instead of trying to argue this game needs it.

3-4 hrs a week eh? Facebook and mobile games are that way, thank you. ====>

Shocking news, there's people who actually like PLAYING a game and you act like investing hours into something they actually find fun is something to puke at? And then on top of that pulling the no life argument. SO mature. By the way, you are already investing countless hours into Savage for gear that will be obsolete in a couple months. Arrogance and prejudice at its best. You think you are better than others only because you play less? You are less dedicated to games, that's what it is, you live your life however the hell you want and you leave others to live their lives however the hell they want.

Didn't mean to offend? this post was quite offensive and judgamental:

800+ hours into a game? #puke I couldn't imagine that. Put into perspective, granting an 8 hour sleep(lower spectrum bc you're not really exerting yourself) you have spent 2 months of your life playing this for...what? I have played FFXIV since launch and I have clocked 387 hours, over 3 years now. I wouldn't mind less tier gearing, but I don't have the time sink you seem to have, so I am glad this game is programmed the way it is. I should not be barred from doing Savage just bc I have a life and you seem to not have one.

I seriously can't stand this community.

And there you are with the inflammatory speech. Please understand that I'm being respectful to you and if there's misinterpretation here, I apologize.

You're showing levels of playing that could be considered unhealthy, actually. Again, playing games obsessively, which could be the impression shown by your hours, may not be an indicator that you are the type of person the developers should appeal to, but rather of the habitual levels of the game that fall outside the target audience, so please, keep that in mind.

Now we have an expert on phsycology that dictates what's healthy and what's not on someone's else's life. The guy lives his life however he wants, he has a job and he pays for his entertainment and actually has hours to spend on it, and he can't even ask for content that actually takes time to invest, in a game he's paying for. It's a choice, if you want to spend time on something, you get the reward, if you don't then you don't do it and keep doing your usual things. Why are people so against people having options in a game?

[Hyrist]

Yes, and I find that extremely boring.

I don't think this game does need it. This game is way too much like other games. FFXIV, is just taking things from other games and polishing it.

To be entirely fair, so was FFXI, taking the popular mechanics of the time and polishing it with it's own Final Fantasy flaire. It was not until multiple years down the road that it truely deviated on its own path. Are we not to give FFXIV the same level of patience?

The reason I play mostly now is just the role-play. Which.. really is bad.

Is it truly? This is your reason to play - if you enjoy it enough, why does it matter that the other features do not entertain you at the moment? Not all things appeal to all players, nor should it. Perhaps it is bad for you because Roleplaying is no longer entertaining? I submit that finding one's own entertainment in a game, be it its mechanics or its community, is all a part of the package.

For me, I too primarily roleplay right now. FFXIV has given us a backdrop for creative freedom. Right now, I'm on hiatus for the mechanics of the game, yet still enjoy role-playing when time spares.

I don't find this to be bad. I enjoyed the content that I played, and I stopped when it felt too repetitive. There's new content on the horizon to look forward to, even if it is 'more of the same' that does not automatically disqualifies it as entertaining. Meanwhile, I have fun with my friends. Different strokes for different folks.

Tyla_Esmeraude,
the comment about not intending to offend was referring to my post, I believe. Beyond that, I don't feel like it's appropriate to respond to the entity of your post, regardless of my disagreement, as it sounds very reactionary (and heated) to a specific course of discussion I was not part of.

I will say, 'the community' is rather large. You must have found some fragment of it you enjoy, identify and/or agree with, otherwise you wouldn't be here. So perhaps the blanket statement is a bit too broad? Keep in mind that you too are a part of this community.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Tyla_Esmeraude,
the comment about not intending to offend was referring to my post, I believe. Beyond that, I don't feel like it's appropriate to respond to the entity of your post, regardless of my disagreement, as it sounds very reactionary (and heated) to a specific course of discussion I was not part of.

I will say, 'the community' is rather large. You must have found some fragment of it you enjoy, identify and/or agree with, otherwise you wouldn't be here. So perhaps the blanket statement is a bit too broad? Keep in mind that you too are a part of this community.

I was not talking about you when I said I can't stand this community. I was quoting the other guy whose posts were judgamental and offensive. But you also don't come off as respecting someone who plays more than you do when saying unhealthy, obsessively, not a badge of honor, etc. And yes I only enjoy people in this community who are reasonable and have common sense.

[karateorangutang]

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Your a bristly one aren't you lol?

Hyrist is entitled to believe that the amount of time being spent on the game is unhealthy. Honestly if your working 40 hours and spending 40 hours on a game then your leaving little time for sleep and exercise. That's a personal opinion of mine since I value physical exercise very highly. I'm still trying to see where Iag's post was offensive. It was definitely opinionated, but not demeaning in anyway shaper or form. Additionally do you honestly thing that SE doesn't want more players that play 3-4 hours a week? They pay the same fees and are a greater profitability for the company. Planet fitness works on this model and its immensely profitable. Low user attendance breeds low upkeep fees and a greater profitability for the company.

I honestly don't think there was any slamming of another person here. Just personal opinions.

Still like vertical progression. Just sayin'

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Your a bristly one aren't you lol?

That's fine. It's fine posting opinions. It's not fine when people post judgamentally and offensive towards someone like that guy I quoted did, that's what I don't tolerate. But even Hyrist is being a bit judgamental using words like unhealthy, obsessively, etc towards a guy he knows nothing about. It's okay if he plays less, but don't call someone who plays more unhealthy and obsessive. There really is no need for that.