WHM dps VS. SCH dps

[MyaValentine]

For the sake of easy math, going to assume the following:

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Above math doesn't account for the fact not all DoTs line up with a 60s timer so there will be some overlap when expanding this timer beyond one minute. Also the math is considering the full duration of the DoT when applied - so it'll do less damage when considered at the end of a minute. However, multiplying the above by however minutes one desires should allow for a decent approximation one can expect. Be sure to allow for buff / ability timers when doing said multiplication as some buffs will not be available on each minute.

Looking at above, and considering infinite MP, WHM wins the race by approximately 7.7% when factoring just sustained damage.

[Edit] Had to readjust specific values as you'll be applying some DoTs more often due to time of application

Thanks sir, appreciate the numbers.

[mp-please]

If you're cutting into your GCD its a DPS loss.
15 Seconds left until boss is invulnerable:
Aero 150 (only 4 ticks)
Fluid Arua 150
swiftcast
Aero II: 250
Assize: 300
Stone 3:210x3
Total:1480

Casting dots when you want burst damage is a dps loss, mainly if you're using PoM. Using PoM reduces stone III cast to 1.92 seconds which allow you to cast 7-8 stones during the whole 15sec period, that's roughly 1600 potency mashing 1 button compared to what you wrote.

Also your rotation is wrong. It's aero III > aero > aero II > fluid aura > PoM > stone III ~ > dots are only refreshed once PoM wears off, swiftcast is better used on either medica II or to refresh aero III. Just because aero III is aoe don't underestimate it's power on single target.

[zuzu-bq]

Why did this thread became a thing again?

[Rawrz]

I said 15 seconds. .-. 15. Again. 15. Also your math was "7-8" Stone IIIs solid math to hit that 1600 huh?

Also yes Aero III is lovely. I was just trying to give each class a chance to use their ogcd skills with swift cast.

[Ercapote]

Why did this thread became a thing again?

I was asking for some information regarding a discussion between me and my girl, if this threat hurts your emotions, I'm sorry but it wasn't what we intended, just basically asking for more experienced people on the matter which we got what we wanted and we are greatly appreciated to everyone, so if this offend you just know that there's no hate intentions on this and + everyone here where pretty nice so I don't understand where are you coming from with your post. Any ways have a good day thanks all...

[MyaValentine]

I was asking for some information regarding a discussion between me and my girl, if this threat hurts your emotions, I'm sorry but it wasn't what we intended, just basically asking for more experienced people on the matter which we got what we wanted and we are greatly appreciated to everyone, so if this offend you just know that there's no hate intentions on this and + everyone here where pretty nice so I don't understand where are you coming from with your post any ways have a good day thanks all...

Don't lie, I hate all these mofo's. Jk jk, chillax. No but foreal @Zuzu, it became a thing because your response was miniscule and didn't clarify much and people were discussing their thoughts. Same reason most posts become a thing

[Rewind]

I must be pretty amazing at timing Shroud, seeing as I've just haphazardly clicked it 20 times since I saw this message and always received 5 ticks of refresh. No more, no less.

Also, it's a 120 second cooldown. Seems someone needs to take their White Mage off of the trophy stand and polish it.

Otherwise, I'll admit Scholars are significantly more practical when it comes to doing damage, but assuming in a world of infinite MP and no accuracy requirements, I'd imagine White Mages would edge out over them. Alas, it's a cold and cruel universe, so we'll have to do with accuracy checks and MP issues for the moment.

Sorry, I must have been a misread the CD as I was using a website to get the potency calculation, The 5th tick is legitimate in combat. Please see https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nt_for_whm_in/

No need to be insulting ^_^

I also said ignore mana dependency, disregard all "setbacks" so to speak.

Then WHM wins both AoE and Single Target (infinite MP pool). Though that will never happen >.<

[zuzu-bq]

No but foreal @Zuzu, it became a thing because your response was miniscule and didn't clarify much and people were discussing their thoughts. Same reason most posts become a thing

I can see most are just explaining what I've said. I'm just terrible with proof showing.

[mp-please]

I said 15 seconds. .-. 15. Again. 15. Also your math was "7-8" Stone IIIs solid math to hit that 1600 huh?

Also yes Aero III is lovely. I was just trying to give each class a chance to use their ogcd skills with swift cast.

If you want to nitpick, PoM > stone III > fluid > stone III x6. 1620 potency. I just said 7-8 stone IIIs because you can almost hit 8 by 0.2 seconds so the game might and might not register that last one.

[Raminax]

Sorry, I must have been a misread the CD as I was using a website to get the potency calculation, The 5th tick is legitimate in combat. Please see https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nt_for_whm_in/

No need to be insulting ^_^

Yerr, sorry for the snideness. I just assumed you were going on a drunken rampage. (Can't spell assumption without ass, I guess?)

That said, I'm testing both Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether right now with various timings (just after a Regen tick, somewhere inbetween, just before a Regen tick and so on) and I keep getting a consistent 5 ticks of Refresh, even in combat. :/ Perhaps latency might affect it? We all know XIV has lots of silly shenanigans going on with its netcode to begin with, latency might just be making it worse losing random DoT/HoT/SoS ticks. Guess I'll have to test further inside some raid later on, because fighting individual enemies probably isn't straining things that much.

Either latency, or the timing isn't as strict as the post is claiming.

And it could've also just been fixed. Two months ago is quite a while, considering the amounts of hotfix patches we've had.