WHM dps VS. SCH dps

[Jonnycbad]

If you're cutting into your GCD its a DPS loss.
15 Seconds left until boss is invulnerable:
Aero 150 (only 4 ticks)
Fluid Arua 150
swiftcast
Aero II: 250
Assize: 300
Stone 3:210x3
Total:1480

Bio:200
Energy Drain:150
Aero: 125 (only 3 ticks)
Energy Drain: 150
Swiftcast
Broil:170
Energy Drain: 150
Broil x2: 170x2=340
Total:1285

You guys forgot Shadow Flare.


Also, I would argue that Fey Wind is probably the reason why SCH's DPS wasn't intended to be on par with WHM...the same reason NIN's solo damage is built-in to be lower than MNK or DRG--their Trick Attack debuff adds raid DPS that technically was generated by the NIN, and thus balanced everything out. The 3% haste for the entire raid, likely makes up for or averages out that 300-350 potency discrepancy or comes close to it.

Also with Lustrates, Galvanize, and Fairy heals, the SCH is a bit more mobile DPS-wise than WHM, so I feel they can contribute DPS more easily whereas WHM has to stop and cast more often.

[Khyan]

You guys forgot Shadow Flare.


Also, I would argue that Fey Wind is probably the reason why SCH's DPS wasn't intended to be on par with WHM...the same reason NIN's solo damage is lower than MNK or DRG--their Trick Attack debuff adds raid DPS that technically was generated by the NIN and thus balanced everything out. The 3% haste for the entire raid, likely makes up for or averages out that 300-350 potency discrepancy or comes close to it.

Again, the haste buff is arguable. You can see no difference with and without it on a parser during a ~8 minutes fight. The haste buff impact is really minimal.

[Rawrz]

I said 15 seconds. .-. 15. Again. 15. Also your math was "7-8" Stone IIIs solid math to hit that 1600 huh?

Also yes Aero III is lovely. I was just trying to give each class a chance to use their ogcd skills with swift cast.

[mp-please]

I said 15 seconds. .-. 15. Again. 15. Also your math was "7-8" Stone IIIs solid math to hit that 1600 huh?

Also yes Aero III is lovely. I was just trying to give each class a chance to use their ogcd skills with swift cast.

If you want to nitpick, PoM > stone III > fluid > stone III x6. 1620 potency. I just said 7-8 stone IIIs because you can almost hit 8 by 0.2 seconds so the game might and might not register that last one.

[Anze-chan]

Sch has 5 dots (aero/b/b2/m/sf) with more uptime for broil/ruin spam since 18 secs shortest dot refresh time- which results in more dps even on single target when you account for food/pots/bv/foes. Normally in most cases casting shadowflare pre-pull (and swiftcast will be up for every shadowflare) to add up more uptime on broil is extra dps + the 6 AF stacks opener (not counting dissipation). Whm will also be lower on dps in most aoe situations because bane+miasma2+shadowflare+blizzard2 are that good if the targets are rich on their HP pool. Whm will only do burst damage on opener but even then when a scholar goes all out on deeps they can even beat a warrior's op burst. (it's not that often though)

to answer your question sch is better single and aoe on any situation whether multiple targets (2+ targets) or single. This is from my own experience in instances.

Edit: foes/bv capturing all 5 dots is nice too

[Sleigh]

Sch has 5 dots (aero/b/b2/m/sf) with more uptime for broil/ruin spam since 18 secs shortest dot refresh time- which results in more dps even on single target when you account for food/pots/bv/foes. Normally in most cases casting shadowflare pre-pull (and swiftcast will be up for every shadowflare) to add up more uptime on broil is extra dps + the 6 AF stacks opener (not counting dissipation). Whm will also be lower on dps in most aoe situations because bane+miasma2+shadowflare+blizzard2 are that good if the targets are rich on their HP pool. Whm will only do burst damage on opener but even then when a scholar goes all out on deeps they can even beat a warrior's op burst. (it's not that often though)

to answer your question sch is better single and aoe on any situation whether multiple targets (2+ targets) or single. This is from my own experience in instances.

Edit: foes/bv capturing all 5 dots is nice too

Nope.

I play with an i210 weapon SCH, he can't touch WAR's burst or sustained. Just not in the cards. In fact, WHM's raw damage is too high on a single target, even with misses a WHM DPSing will beat out an equally geared SCH while they're both DPSing. The difference in real fights, why SCH will usually come out ahead in boss fights, is just because a WHM's role of applying HoTs to both the tanks and the party constantly, something it has to stop DPSing to do, and most groups have WHM pick up near death people while it's doing so. This leads to the same dynamic we had in ARR where SCH is the off-healer, WHM is the main healer, just now the main healer is a DPS machine with more damage and more safety nets to DPS from.

[Anze-chan]

Nope.

But I've already seen a 1.4k scholar opener burst and he was on top of the warrior's dps, to be honest I think it was even higher than 1.4k. The reason why scholars are dpsing more often is not because of how busy the whm is, it's more like how good are they when micro managing their pet while on cleric. I have seen a lot of scholars have their pet on auto with barely any management and it forces them to switch back from cleric to be able to heal. Unlike what most people think scholars do run out of MP when perfectly played in savage due to multiple targets and broil spam. Also their ability to aoe immediately unlike single targeting dots on whm. If you took a whm and a sch to any savage turn and asked them to ignore healing completely -given that mp is infinite and equal skill cap- I highly doubt a whm can beat a sch.

[Cynfael]

But I've already seen a 1.4k scholar opener burst and he was on top of the warrior's dps, to be honest I think it was even higher than 1.4k.

SCH has a great opener with being able to weave Energy Drains. It's ridiculous when you begin with 3 stacks, Aetherflow off of CD, and Dissipation ready.

All of that doesn't mean that what others are saying isn't true, however. Burst is nice, but it isn't the whole picture by a long shot.

[Anze-chan]

All of that doesn't mean that what others are saying isn't true, however. Burst is nice, but it isn't the whole picture by a long shot.

What else is missing though? I mean, scholars branch from a dps class, it has the tools to dps better than whm naturally. As generic as that may sound it kind of is true, and for a scholar to reach it's full dps potential takes more effort than a whm doing so.

[Anze-chan]

because energy drain and broil is all there is....